12 Replies Latest reply: Oct 13, 2012 11:42 AM by Perry Nerantzis
Whale-97 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Kia Ora Guys and Gals of Apple discussions...


Well I think my ibook has now come to the end of its life, I would be running an application (maybe 2) and then the whole system freezes over, yup I can't even move the mouse...


So I have to go ctrl+command+power to reset the ibook and have to reset the smc every time this happens (take out battery sources and other stuff hold power for 15 secs, re attach blah blah blah) then zap the pram (wow so much stuff)


Now the system is SNAIL Slow, turned it on... I herd the infamous tone (doooong) went to a greyish sorta screen (looks like system software background) then the apple logo! But no spinner....


Anyone reckon its hard drive failure for sure?


Oh wait just my luck, kernal panic when I moved it slightly...


So what do you think?

iBook, Mac OS X (10.4.11), G3, Model # M6497
  • Ronda Wilson Level 8 Level 8 (41,085 points)

    This is symptomatic of a too-full hard drive.


    What is the hard drive capacity, and how much space remains available on it?

  • Whale-97 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi Ronda, many thanks for the speedy reply.


    The hard drive is unfortunately a 10GB and with OSX Tiger installed it took about half the space...


    I was also going to include that the hard drive can sound like an old Lenovo computer with windows 95 on it (ba dum tiss)


    If you we're to recommend uninstalling some stuff, my optical drive is busted also, and I can't do FireWire disk mode because I don't have another mac or the appropriate equipment.


    Cameron (Whale-97)

  • Ronda Wilson Level 8 Level 8 (41,085 points)

    With a 10 GB hard drive, you are talking about a drive that is now 11 years old.


    Hard drives fail. That's just a hard fact. This one has had a good run.


    What does Disk Utility (Macintosh HD > Applications > Utilities > Disk Utility> tell you about the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive?

  • Whale-97 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    S.M.A.R.T Status: Verified

  • Ronda Wilson Level 8 Level 8 (41,085 points)

    You haven't said exactly how much space remains available on the drive.


    It is generally recommended to keep a minimum of 15% of the total capacity of the hard drive as free space. On a 10 GB hard drive, that would be 1.5 GB, which hardly seems enough these days. I always want to be sure to keep at least enough space to do an Archive and Install if necessary, and that means at least double the space it takes to do an install of the OS.

  • Whale-97 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Kia Ora Ronda, apologies for the late reply...


    Firstly, the iBook (with some anticipation) managed to boot into osx. But unfortunately something happened just today...


    I was going to backup some of my documents to a usb, when all of a sudden, as soon as I plugged the usb in, BAM! Kernal Panic...


    So I pressed the reset button by the headphone jack and decided to turn it back on, and now, it's forever on the apple logo and the spinning icon at the bottom, the screen didn't change in a while...


    In verbose mode, a lot of junk comes up that I don't even understand, single user and open firmware mode carry on ad usual like if nothing happened... Fsck said that the disk appears to be OK (I don't agree)


    What now?



  • Whale-97 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    P.s the remaining space on the hard drive was roughly 4 GB :O

  • Ronda Wilson Level 8 Level 8 (41,085 points)

    Cameron, how much RAM is installed? RAM sometimes fails, and that is one of the most frequent causes of kernel panics, although it seems like too much coincidence that it happened when you plugged in a USB drive.


    What type of USB drive did you plug in? Flash drive or external disk drive? If you can give us a link to information on the drive you plugged in, that would be helpful.


    It could be that it is a drive that is not backward-compatible to the USB 1.1 port of the iBook G3. Or the port may have failed. Did you try with the other port?

  • Whale-97 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    256MB SDRam PC100 , there is only one ram port available for expansion (I believe one is soldered to the logic board)


    It was a flash drive (to be exact, an imation 8GB) and a link to the information? Well I just had assignments and a couple of photos on there. From what I know the USB Works with both ports on the iBook when it was booted into OSX... I will be planning to try a netboot to reinstall osx today, hopefully it works :)



  • Whale-97 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ronda... Just to inform you, I have formatted the hdd and reinstalling osx as I speak, I managed to get it booted off my usb (:O but the iBook is impossible of usb boot lol)  using poweriso on my pc


    Thanks so much for all the help :D Much appreciated


    Cameron (Whale-97) with a very happy iBook :)

  • Ronda Wilson Level 8 Level 8 (41,085 points)

    Is it really solved?


    If so, can you tell us step-by-step how you did it?


    Yes, all iBooks have logic board RAM and one user-accessible RAM slot. One model of the 500 MHz iBook G3 (Dual USB) (the one which was equipped with a CD-ROM drive as opposed to more fully functional optical drives) had 64 MB soldered to the logic board; the other 500 MHz models have 128 MB of logic board RAM. You will be happier with the iBook if you maximize the RAM with a 512 MB module.




    When I asked for information on the drive, I meant information regarding the specifications of the USB drive (make and model of the drive). I wasn't questioning you about the data on the drive. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer.


    As Shakespeare noted, "All's well that ends well."

  • Perry Nerantzis Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    i just completed my end of life ibook g4 restore to life. i installed a 40g harddrive (that was dying issue) from http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Toshiba/MHW2040AT/.

    and buy the tool set at $5-

    http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/TOOLKITMHD/. there are a lot of screws to remove and remember where they went!

    there is a how to on the web-at

    http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iBook+G4+12-Inch+800+MHz-1.2+GHz+Hard+Drive+Replacem ent/166/1


    i idif not do steps 24, 25 or 26, just pry the top case over that part. at step 30 be really careful when lifting top case off. make sure that the trackpad connector comes out of the socket without unglueing itself from the topcase. it is very very tricky to plug it back in. next, be careful with step 32 and 33. i left them attached and moved the top case up and taped it the screen, when you get to step 34 top shield, no need to take it off. just remove the screws from the lower left side and bend the shield up and out of the way to get to the hard drive below.  be sure to check that out before screwing everything back.  if you have an airport card, do not attach it until after loading all your software. mine gave me a kernel panic with airport card in.


    this is typed from the newly resurrected ibook g4 with airport card!!