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DLScreative Level 4 Level 4 (1,595 points)

Because I haven't upgraded from 3.2.4 or asked others for a workaround, I thought I post here before giving feedback.

 

I'm not sure when the application engineers decided that if stacked images are added to an album the stack pick should automatically become an album pick that must be manually removed even after choosing a new stack pick, but it wasn't always this way. Of that I'm sure.

 

This is driving me insane because I can't find a way to change the default, and I can't remove the album pick from multiple stacks simultaneously. 

 

After I do the work to choose stack picks, I don't need the album to display a different image as the pick. In my workflow, this is a severe hinderance that costs me time and causes me to run the risk of overlooking acceptable images that I've already chosen to display as the pick.  If I need to use the album pick feature, I can make that decision without any help from the application.  The main thing that's kept me with Aperture is that I hate LR's DAM- especially the stack feature.

 

Please tell me that this has been addressed in 3.4.  If this is the case, I might just find the time to update my huge library. 

 

DLS


MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.4), 2.2GHz quad i7/8GB RAM/1GB VRAM
  • 1. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,795 points)

    I'm not seeing that behavior in 3.4.1 on ML.

     

    To be honest I hardly use stacks so don;t remember how this worked in the past but if I am reading your description correctly I don;t get an automatic album pick if I drag a stack to an album.

     

    regards

  • 2. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    DLScreative Level 4 Level 4 (1,595 points)

    Interesting observation, Frank. A quick test reveals that I don't get an automatic album pick if I drag a stack to an album.  It only happens when I select images and make the album from the selection.

     

    DLS

  • 3. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,795 points)
    It only happens when I select images and make the album from the selection.

     

    So are the images you are selecting in a stack or are you making them into a satck after thery are in the album or making them into a stack in the project they came from?

  • 4. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,795 points)

    Ok I see it now if I select images in a project stack them and then make new album from selection the stack pick (the first image in the stack) is marked as the album pick in the newly created album.

  • 5. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,795 points)

    However if i do it the other way around,, select images, make album from selection and then make them into a  stack  no album pick is set.

  • 6. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    DLScreative Level 4 Level 4 (1,595 points)

    Exactly.  On a large project, I rotate and stack my images before I really look at them closely. Then I go through the stacks and make my picks.  After that, I close all the stacks and start the rating process (of course some of the rating takes place while making picks)  with a far less cluttered browser. In this case, I made an album from selected images after stacking but before making stack picks. 

     

    At least now I know that the process should be to create an empty album and drag the images in, but it is still a goofball "feature" that takes extra time to work around.  I'd bet that a poll of users would reveal that 90% do not use album picks at all. 

     

    Thanks for testing that, Frank.  At least we found a workaround, and I now know that the upgrade will not resolve this issue so I'm in no hurry to tie up my workstation for days.

     

    DLS

  • 7. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,795 points)

    So making the album from the selection and then stacking them wouldn't work for you? Because as I wrote that also leaves the album pick unset.

  • 8. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    DLScreative Level 4 Level 4 (1,595 points)

    As is often the case, I had already made my stacks before deciding to make the album, but, in this case, I decided to make the album before making my picks.  This silliness appears to only happen in this particular scenario. 

     

    There were 2000 images and I decided to further simplfy it using albums before diving into the stacks.

     

    DLS

  • 9. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,915 points)

    Hi DLS.  I'm not seeing the problem here.  Albums can have a different Pick than the Stack Pick.  (Imho, exceptionally useful.)  Do I understand that what you want is for changes made to the Stack Pick in the Project to be mirrored in the Album, so that your Album Picks are _always_ your Stack Picks?

     

    It seems a less round-about work-around would be to do your additional "picking" in the Album and not in the Project.

     

    Note that in the Album, you can set both the Stack Pick (which is a Project-specific designation) and the Album Pick (an Album-specific designation).  The Stack Pick can be set by moving the Image to the left-most position in the Stack, or with the short-cut keys or menu.  The Album pick can be set only by issuing a command.

     

    This behavior is best seen with a Project and an Album containing the same Images set up side-by-side.  With the Project already showing in the Browser, "{Option}+click" to name of the Album on the Library tab of the Inspector.

     

    You and Frank know Aperture well, which leads me to conclude that I'm missing something here.  Let me know what it is.

     

    Cheers.

  • 10. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,640 points)

    What I see in Aperture 3.4.1:

    • Selecting stacked images in a project and "make new album from selection": The stack pick becomes the album pick.
    • Dragging stacked images from a project to an album: no album pick is set.
    • Selecting stacked images in an album and "make new album from selection": The old album pick becomes the new album pick.
    • Dragging stacked images from an album to an album: no album pick is set.

    Cheers

    Léonie

  • 11. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,915 points)

    PS:  3.3.2 here.

  • 12. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    DLScreative Level 4 Level 4 (1,595 points)

    Kirby Krieger wrote:

     

    Hi DLS.  I'm not seeing the problem here.  Albums can have a different Pick than the Stack Pick.  (Imho, exceptionally useful.)  Do I understand that what you want is for changes made to the Stack Pick in the Project to be mirrored in the Album, so that your Album Picks are _always_ your Stack Picks?

     

    It seems a less round-about work-around would be to do your additional "picking" in the Album and not in the Project.

     

    Note that in the Album, you can set both the Stack Pick (which is a Project-specific designation) and the Album Pick (an Album-specific designation).  The Stack Pick can be set by moving the Image to the left-most position in the Stack, or with the short-cut keys or menu.  The Album pick can be set only by issuing a command.

     

    This behavior is best seen with a Project and an Album containing the same Images set up side-by-side.  With the Project already showing in the Browser, "{Option}+click" to name of the Album on the Library tab of the Inspector.

     

    You and Frank know Aperture well, which leads me to conclude that I'm missing something here.  Let me know what it is.

     

    Cheers.

     

    The problem is that Aperture is automatically designating album picks when an album is created from a selection that includes stacks.  This should be the user's decision not a default that can't be changed.  I fully understand how album picks work, and I don't expect album picks to reflect changes I later make in the project. That would defeat their purpose, but, at the very least, when I choose a new stack pick in the album, it should either replace the album pick or wipe it. I should also be able to select all stacks and remove all album picks at once.  I spent a good three hours going through and clearing album picks- that I didn't choose to create- one at a time, and I'm still coming across some that I missed.
    I agree that, at times, album picks can be useful. However, it should be my decision whether to use album picks or not. Under no circumstances should the application be designating album picks for me.

     

    At least I knew what was going on when this happened. Imagine how it might affect a less experienced user.  I bet this comes up on the forum in the future from someone who won't find this thread because they don't know to search "Album Picks". 

     

    BTW: The shortcut to add or remove an album pick is command+shift+\  (I've come to know it all too well) It's also available in the Stacks Menu under Make/Clear Album Pick.  

     

    DLS

  • 13. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    DLScreative Level 4 Level 4 (1,595 points)

    PS I could have saved that three hours if I'd known the drag and drop workaround.

     

    DLS

  • 14. Re: Album Picks are Driving Me Insane
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,915 points)

    I am still trying to wrap my head around this.  I think we may be seeing different behavior.  When I create a new Album from a selection in a Project that includes Stacks, the Album Pick is set, but it is always the same as the Stack Pick.  Yes?  This, to me, is what I would expect.  (From a computational point-of-view, there is no difference between designating the Stack Pick as the Album Pick, or not designating it, when the rule is that if there is no Album Pick designated, use the Stack Pick.)

    DLScreative wrote:

     

    ... at the very least, when I choose a new stack pick in the album, it should either replace the album pick or wipe it.

    Why?  The Album pick is a separate, Album-specific designation.  The Album pick is set to the Stack Pick when the Album is created, and remains so until you change one or the other.  You can change either in the Album.  I don't see why changing the Stack Pick in the Album should remove or replace the Album Pick.  If it's the Album Pick you want to change or remove, change it or remove it.  If you want to change the Stack Pick, you can do this either in the Project or in the Album.  But again, the Album Pick and the Stack Pick are independent once the Album is created.

     

    From a practical point of view, you can put the Album Pick and Stack Pick icons next to each other on the Toolbar (this might be the default) and simply click each if you want to set an Image as both the Album Pick and the Stack Pick.

    ... I should also be able to select all stacks and remove all album picks at once. 

    Agreed.  There should be a way to "reset" Album Picks to the current Stack Picks.

    I spent a good three hours going through and clearing album picks- that I didn't choose to create- one at a time, and I'm still coming across some that I missed.

    How did you remove them? 

     

    Here is one method:

    - Set the filter to "Stack picks only".  With an Album selected, this will show Album Picks where they exist.

    - Select the first Image with with an Album Pick badge showing, and click "Stacks➞Remove Album Pick".  Go to next Stack ("Stacks➞Next Stack" or whatever keyboard shortcut you have assigned).  At this point, you can either check for the Album Pick badge, and then remove the Album Pick, or you can click "Stacks" and see whether the menu choice is "Remove Album Pick" or "Set Album Pick".  Repeat for each Stack until you get to the last Stack in the Album.

     

    If you want to make the current Stack Picks the Album Picks, you can do this by creating a new Album from the Project.  Mark all Images in the Album (I use Flags), select the Project, select the marked Images, and create a new Album.  New Albums created from Projects set the Album Pick to be the Stack Pick.  Now you have two Albums containing the same Images.  One has all the old Album Picks.  In the other, the left-most Image in each Stack is both the Stack Pick and the Album Pick.  The result is that you have redesignated the Album Picks to be the Stack Picks.

     

    DLScreative wrote:

     

    BTW: The shortcut to add or remove an album pick is command+shift+\  (I've come to know it all too well) It's also available in the Stacks Menu under Make/Clear Album Pick. 

    Yes.  I was trying to differentiate between issuing commands (from a menu or the toolbar or a keyboard shortcut) and effecting a result by moving Images.  Afaik, Album-Pick-making must be done by command.  Stack-Pick-making can be done by moving an Image to the left-most position in a Stack.

     

    I'm still thinking through your workflow.  That this presents a rock in your stream means something isn't right.

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