Retina Display MacBook Pro eye problem and strain

Hi, the name is Ben


Recently, I boought a retina display and have since been having noticeable eye problem.

(strain, fatigue, oversensativity to computer monitor/screen ligthing)


My question was, has anyone been experiencing the same.


I use my computer pretty much all day, since my work/studies are all based on it.


Still, after 2 weeks of using retina display macbook pro, I have rapidely seen my eyes

starting to hurt, being oversensitive to computer monitor (not that I can't use any, but am

very sensitive to any lighting and need particular moderation in usage)


Now true, there ARE many good habits I did not know of before,(see some examples below)

that I am trying to adopt but still (reducing only in part the problem), I must say I am rather worried,

since I have never had any similar problem in 5 yearsof using my previous 13", macbook, mid 2007.



Any commments, or suggestion (constructive of course) would be welcome.





(few examples of of good habits I have tried so far)

as regularly standing (/30 min),

look at something far away for 20 second (/20 min), blinking regularly, closing eyes for a moment,

adjusting lighting in work environnement, buying an antiglare film or device (nushield) , adjusting screen position,

not working to close to screen, using bigger fonts

Posted on Oct 10, 2012 9:05 AM

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Posted on Oct 10, 2013 2:15 PM

There are several reasons for eyestrain with an LCD display, but one of the less obvious ones is too high of a screen resolution! Your eyes focus on tiny, sharply defined edges in the center of their view. An older display (e.g., iPad 2) has big pixels that are defined by a black boarder around each pixel, and that has a sharp edge that you can focus on. With high resolution displays (Retina and others) your eye cannot see the pixel edge and so has nothing it can focus on. The pixel itself is too big and has soft and glowey edges and does not help you focus,


As an aside, if you look at an iPhone, the distance from the edge of the display (which you can focus on) to the center of the display is a very short distance and your eye will naturally see (or glance at) the edge of the display often enough to keep itself in focus even when looking at the center of the screen. With an iPad the screen is so big that you aren't normally aware of the edge and so your eye relies on the center of the screen for focus clues and there aren't any,


Fixes have been proposed:

Lower the brightness - this kind of works for lower resolution displays because it lowers the glowey (halation) and allows your eyes to see the pixel edge better, but it doesn't make much difference on the high res displays (unless the brightness is way out of adjustment).

Install a screen protector or security screen - These plastic screens have imperfections or actual visible features that your eye can focus on, so your eye stops trying to focus on the pixel and focuses on the imperfections in the plastic and uses that as a proxy for the focus point of the actual pixel. The more perfect the screen protector, the less effective it is in allowing you to focus on the screen.


This effect is not Apple-centric, it can be seen on the Nexus 7 and other high res displays and aside from the suggestions above, it is baked into high res screens. The effect may be reduced by the use of a mat display because you can see the texture of the mat surface and may be able to focus on it, but I have not done that experiment (i.e., sanding the front face of a glossy display)


The stobing of an LED backlight (which see the MacBook Pro) can create issues, but I think the above will be found to be the source of the many problems as we transistion to higher res displays.

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Sep 25, 2014 4:23 PM in response to MacUserRA

This debate on the forum seems like nonsense to me. If you stare out your window right now ... what you see is a world with much higher resolution than retina display; a world a bold, rich images. If anything retina display should be easier on your eyes than staring out a window. I do think that a lot of people look for problems and talk themselves into being part of the problem.

Oct 20, 2014 12:54 PM in response to Imd.Ben

I have the same problem. I bought MBP Retina 15, worked on it about one week and started feeling very unpleasant strain in eyes, the next day my right eye was in such pain that I couldn't continue working on Macbook. I've tried everything, color calibration, flux app to alter color temperature, different display brightness but nothing helped. Before it, I was working on Macbook Air 13" 2012 more than year, and never experienced such a trouble, even when was working more than 10 hours a day. After several week of trying to get used to this retina display I've decided to sell it (I loose about $200 on it), and switched back to work on non-retina Macbook Air.

Oct 24, 2014 6:10 PM in response to Imd.Ben

Has any of you tried turning font smoothing off?

I have sensitive eyes and cannot tolerate any font smoothing.

Font smoothing makes the edges of fonts fuzzy and makes them harder to focus on.

If you have eye problems related to the Retina display, the first thing I would do is turn font smoothing off.

Then you'll get really crisp text.

Nov 18, 2014 1:42 PM in response to Imd.Ben

I think this problem may be due to IPS screens (such as Apple's Retina displays).


I have recently tried a laptop with an IPS screen, and also a desktop monitor with an IPS screen, and both caused me eye discomfort.

In both cases, I ended up having to recalibrate the display's colors to reduce the blue color; this helped a little, but not enough.

I ended up returning both of them because they were killing my eyes.


In the past, I have used regular LCD monitors and TN-based LED screens with no problems, but my eyes seem unable to tolerate IPS screens.


Right now I'm using a laptop with a high-quality TN-based LED screen, and also a regular LCD monitor. I can use these all day long without problems.


For now, I have decided to stay far far away from IPS screens..

Nov 20, 2014 6:40 PM in response to jk9217

Actually, I must correct myself.

I find that I cannot look at an LED monitor all day long (be it IPS or TN).


In terms of viewing comfort, regular LCD monitors are the most comfortable, followed by high quality TN-based LED monitors and lastly IPS monitors.

LCD >>> TN LED > IPS LED


I find that LED monitors are more tolerable with the blue color toned down, so this may have something to do with the blue LED light.

Dec 2, 2014 5:28 PM in response to jk9217

I have found something promising.


http://www.aocmonitorap.com/root/hk_en/product_display.php?id=5040

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/aocs-anti-blue-light-technology.html


AOC will soon come out with LED monitors equipped with Anti-Blue Light (ABL) technology.

This technology supposedly eliminates 90% of the harmful blue light emitted by LED.

It does this by shifting the wavelength peak of the LED backlight.

It will supposedly eliminate the harmful blue light without turning the whole display yellowish (like blue light reducing software do).

These monitors will also be flicker-free.


If this really works, I think it could be really good.

I think all laptops, tablets, smartphones, monitors, etc. should be equipped with this technology.


(Otherwise, I think we'll see an epidemic of people with vision problems (such as macular degeneration) due to the LED's..)

Dec 14, 2014 3:28 AM in response to Imd.Ben

I'm a Macbook Pro Retina (mid-2012) owner and I started having the symptoms that your described as well as double vision since this May. I had my screen changed back in the summer of 2013 due to burn-in and both times I got LG screens. Although I got rid of the burn-in effects of the previous screen I did notice that my eyes get tired more easily with this new screen. Perhaps there is a direct causal relation between the use of those screens that don't have burn-in and the increase in likelihood of eye strain?


Lowering the brightness certainly helps but no matter what I do my vision gets blurry after more than a couple of hours of use and then it would become impossible to have a sharp focus on anything I look at for the rest of the day. On good days I can sit in front of the MBP Retina for up to four hours and if I take a long break (more than an hour) and come back, I can do another two or three hours but this is rare. The thing is I also own an iPad (3rd generation), which is equipped with a Retina screen (by Sharp I believe) and I never have any eye-related problem with it (even with extended use).


I conclude that this is most likely a problem that's unique to LG manufactured Retina screens and perhaps people who read this can confirm it for us afflicted with this condition?


The problem has become so intolerable that I placed an order on an early 2013 Samsung LCD screen (so as to avoid the new IPS technology) yesterday. I'll keep you guys updated on whether the situation improves with the Samsung screen.

Dec 23, 2014 12:49 PM in response to jk9217

Hi guys,


I have tried the AOC E2476VWM6 monitor.

Unfortunately.. it did not work for me.


I could look at it for a few minutes longer than a regular LED monitor, but that was it.


My guess is that an LED screen emits so much blue light that even if you reduce it by 90%, it's still too much.


I guess I will have to stick with my old LCD monitor for the foreseeable future.


I've found that the only way I can look at an LED screen is by putting on amber colored anti-blue light glasses.


So, it's either that or a CCFL-backlit LCD monitor for me.


I had high hopes for this anti-blue light technology. But now I see there is no way to make an LED screen harmless..


So, if you're curious you may want to to try out this monitor yourself.

But I wouldn't expect miracles.


Cheers.

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