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Retina Display MacBook Pro eye problem and strain

Hi, the name is Ben


Recently, I boought a retina display and have since been having noticeable eye problem.

(strain, fatigue, oversensativity to computer monitor/screen ligthing)


My question was, has anyone been experiencing the same.


I use my computer pretty much all day, since my work/studies are all based on it.


Still, after 2 weeks of using retina display macbook pro, I have rapidely seen my eyes

starting to hurt, being oversensitive to computer monitor (not that I can't use any, but am

very sensitive to any lighting and need particular moderation in usage)


Now true, there ARE many good habits I did not know of before,(see some examples below)

that I am trying to adopt but still (reducing only in part the problem), I must say I am rather worried,

since I have never had any similar problem in 5 yearsof using my previous 13", macbook, mid 2007.



Any commments, or suggestion (constructive of course) would be welcome.





(few examples of of good habits I have tried so far)

as regularly standing (/30 min),

look at something far away for 20 second (/20 min), blinking regularly, closing eyes for a moment,

adjusting lighting in work environnement, buying an antiglare film or device (nushield) , adjusting screen position,

not working to close to screen, using bigger fonts

Posted on Oct 10, 2012 9:05 AM

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Jul 10, 2017 8:19 AM in response to BobTheFisherman

Done. The specialist conclusion is what we all are taking about here. We have spent thousands of dollars in a computer that needs to get the resolution adjusted to lower, dim the brightness, and use a blue light filter and a anti glare filter..... I've lost close sight, and suffer astigmatism, after 4 months using my new laptop, as video editor....... Before that I used other machines, for years, never had any problem, perfect sight...... I can tell you, this issue is gonna escalate until Apple and other brands will face the consequences....

Jan 2, 2018 12:44 PM in response to Imd.Ben

Ben,

I am sorry to hear of this happening to you. It is uncomfortable as all get out when this happens to me. However , although this has happened with other computers It has not occured at all with my rMBP.


Prior to this laptop I suffered with a list of eye issues daily from 2006-2014. Dry Eye, watery eyes, itchy eyes, floaters-Had floaters with use of all other computers of the past actually starting in 2006 when I got my first computer going , desktop, and ran it with a CRT monitor. Flashes, strain ect...


Until I came across this thread I hadn't actually thought about my eye issues at all since Sept 2014, which is the last time I remember having any. I bought the Mac beginning of August, and my normal eye reactions to using a computer persisted for about a month. Then I never thought about it again. I have been symptom free for nearly 1.5 years now and I turned 40 4 months ago. For the first time in my life I am at ease using technology. This goes for all the technology in my house, Iphone 6, iphone 5, ipad air retina, ipad mini retina. I cant even look at my husbands 2 year old Thinkpad It hurts to even do 1 thing on it, really I just dont . I can't.


This is my list.

2006-2009 Homemade Computer Windows Variety 25" CRT monitor Viewsonic

2009-2010 Toshiba 17" Laptop LCD screen

2010-2014 Thinkpad T60p laptop LCD screen running Linux.

August 2014 rMBP 13" OSX


About a month after I started using the mac, I became symptom free and remain so to this day.


I noticed alot of people are complaining of this issue while they are still new to making the change over, and since it is so easy to just work on a retina screen mac, is it not plausible that it may be the change that triggers the symptoms people are having because they are moving to a screen that does not demand so much out of their brain to keep it straight that the brain is therefore throws into an adjustment period which bring to the surface the symptoms that the brain has been suppressing.


Just a thought, I was aware of my symptoms the whole time I used my other computers and noticed all the crap that came with it in my field of vision. Also, another thing since I went rMBP, I have not had to go to my chiro but 2X since then, which I believe is also connected to the computer strain I had going before.


Just a thought.

Jan 10, 2017 12:09 PM in response to Imd.Ben

My recent history with retina displays is very sad, i work mostly on a CAD software i moved from a iMac 27" 2011 to a iMac 2016 27" so instead of doing zooms the resolution is so good you just focus harder on screen or get closer to the screen and the results for me was terrible after 3 months i started to se a filter in de right eye and my diagnostic was Central Serous Retinopathy

my advice is NO filters ON screen because you force your eye to achieve more light just spend less time on computer, try not to use computer at night, or use it with a lamp, and scale monitor to default settings, do a check with your ophthalmologist for using lenses on screens, i think apple missed these advices before and should advice before turning on retina displays.

Jul 10, 2017 8:41 AM in response to Mikedave9

Mikedave9 wrote:


Done. The specialist conclusion is what we all are taking about here. We have spent thousands of dollars in a computer that needs to get the resolution adjusted to lower, dim the brightness, and use a blue light filter and a anti glare filter..... I've lost close sight, and suffer astigmatism, after 4 months using my new laptop, as video editor....... Before that I used other machines, for years, never had any problem, perfect sight...... I can tell you, this issue is gonna escalate until Apple and other brands will face the consequences....

I like the retina display and it has not affected my eyes. I will be disappointed if Apple changes this display based on some user's who likely have underlying eye issues.


I suggest if your eyes are affected and you are concerned that it is Apple who is causing this that you find a different product to use. It is like the old Saturday Night Live routine where one performer says it hurts every time he pokes himself in the eye. The other performer then advises that the answer to his eye discomfort is to stop poking himself in the eye.


I like hot sauce but every time I use it my stomach gets irritated. So should I sue the hot sauce manufacturer to force him to change his hot sauce formula or should I go to a different product that is less irritating? I think the answer for me would be to find a more compatible sauce.

Jul 10, 2017 9:14 AM in response to BobTheFisherman

Most of thr people like Retina display, even I do, but that does not cancel reality. The critic here means to be positive, to find a solution, no to insult Apple. In other hand, based on my research, most of the people who does not have issues with the new displays, are already using glass, or have eyes issues since long ago, so is difficult to make statistics, time to time...... As I said, this will have consequences.

Aug 14, 2017 7:40 AM in response to Mikedave9

I just started searching for anyone else who might be having eye-burning/redness when working on their 2017 iMac (Retina 5K, AMD Radeon R9 M390 2048 MB). <------I included the 2nd part because of the word "radeon" (who knows).


I started having EXTREME eye problems over a year ago, I'm pathologically myopic & was diagnosed with Degenerative Myopia (which is not the same as Macular Degeneration which comes with age). I have lost vision, dead-center, in my left eye. Good times. Anyway, about 6 months ago my company bought me a new Mac—I'm a graphic designer/artist & have been using Macs since the late 80s. We've been using iMacs, updating every few years, for over a decade.


Note: I have always used desktops, never laps.


Since I set it up, this Mac's been randomly "hissing" for about 20 seconds total—starts low & then builds up to a loud hiss for several seconds before lowering in sound & disappearing. It's random—does not do it for days/weeks at a time & then one day it starts hissing about every 2 hours, randomly again. I've just tilted my head (the **** you doing?) at it & kept working.


Last week it hissed a few times, I cannot remember if I'd restarted or not (it's VERY likely I did because we have serious server issues from time to time). My left eye started burning, burned all day, I used antibiotic drops because now I'm freaky about my eyeballs, went home & it got better. The next day my right eye started burning. What the ****, man.


Saturday/Sunday: perfect. Nor burning or red eyes. I worked on my 2011 iMac & didn't have a problem.


Got to office this morning & within 30 minutes right eye has started burning again.


Ideas?

Aug 14, 2017 11:50 AM in response to cutterbump

cutterbump wrote:


Sigh...


I was not asking for an eye diagnosis—I am asking if anyone using this 2017 iMac desktop has experienced similar eye burning issues (since this thread has been going on for a few years). If so, then I know that it might be the computer rather than my lovely eyes.

I'm sure there are people using any device with a screen who suffer irritated/burning/sore eyes. This is likely dependent on the viewing environment, brightness, eye sensitivity, time of day, tiredness, air quality, dirty glasses, wrong prescription for computer work, etc. Asking if others suffer from sore eyes accomplishes nothing but the obvious, people suffer from sore eyes for many reasons. See a doctor if you are concerned about your eye health.

Aug 14, 2017 12:03 PM in response to BobTheFisherman

Thank you for the constructive criticism & assumption that I haven't got all the eyeball-related bases covered. Based upon the earlier, recent diagnosis I mentioned, I guess it's highly possible that I didn't see an eye specialist from the age of 5 until 53. Have you mentioned this to the previous 6 pages of (quite a few) similar questions or have you been saving this one just for me?


Hopefully others might have something to say about the display on this particular model, but if not, I'll do a little research elsewhere. Since it's an old thread I seem to be stuck with you. Hmm.


Thanks for your....time. :-)

Aug 14, 2017 12:37 PM in response to cutterbump

cutterbump wrote:


Thank you for the constructive criticism & assumption that I haven't got all the eyeball-related bases covered. Based upon the earlier, recent diagnosis I mentioned, I guess it's highly possible that I didn't see an eye specialist from the age of 5 until 53. Have you mentioned this to the previous 6 pages of (quite a few) similar questions or have you been saving this one just for me?


Hopefully others might have something to say about the display on this particular model, but if not, I'll do a little research elsewhere. Since it's an old thread I seem to be stuck with you. Hmm.


Thanks for your....time. :-)

Or don't consult a doctor. The choice is yours. I sometimes suffer from burning eyes after some time on the computer but it is not Apple's fault. My eyes get sore for all the reasons above. I consulted a doctor and now have an eyeglass prescription for computer tasks. My eyes are much better now but still burn if I spend a long time staring at the display or there is smoke/dust in the air, I;m tired, etc.

Oct 7, 2017 10:12 AM in response to Imd.Ben

I can confirm that f.flux helps a lot and the result is visible in minutes. I always had calibrated display (working with Photoshop) but I also use Macbook Pro 2015 Retina for reading and writing. In one year my eyes got worse and I had to get eyeglasses. Today my eyes heart a lot after a long work. I found this thread, installed f.flux and... And felt that I can look to the screen without problems. Eyes are still tired but they do not heart at once when I look to the screen.


So, if you have a problem with your eyes and Retina display, try f.flux.

Oct 20, 2017 9:57 AM in response to BocaJulz

My 2013 MBP came with the "half scaled" 1400x900 (half of 2800x1800) and I never knew the difference. I just got a 2017 variety and couldn't figure out why my eyes burned if I looked at the screen. I have two external monitors so it wasn't too bad at first, but working without the monitors was terrible.


I then noticed that my wallpaper was weird and started looking into the resolution. The "native/default" resolution of the 2017 MBP is 1680 x 1050 (aka terrible) which means that instead of 1 pixel being represented by exactly 4, there is some sort of messy cludge going on to get a bit more screen real estate. Once I changed back to 1400x900 the eye strain is gone.


TLDR; default resolution is terrible.


If I need more real estate I may look for something to force native 2800x1800 and then increase font sizes all around, but this would be troublesome and generally I just get an external monitor when I need to do much work though.

Nov 9, 2017 12:28 PM in response to Imd.Ben

Same here, I bought a MacBook Pro retina 15'' mid-2015, I found I couldn't easily focus on the screen, and have dry eye, red eye issues. I changed the display settings:


I changed the color to "ColorMatch RGB",

I changed the resolution down to 1280*800,

And reduced the brightness.


These settings helped to reduce the focusing issue a little, however, it couldn't fully solve the problem. I spent more than $2000 to buy this stuff. I regret buying it. I hope Apple could solve this issue by system upgrade to make the display much better for reading/daily using.

Nov 12, 2017 2:22 AM in response to Imd.Ben

I find that I can look at LCD screens longer. This problem probably isn't unique to Retina screens but they most likely accentuate the problem since all Retina screens are LED screens on top of high in pixel density. To conclude my findings so far:

1. Lowering ambient light helps (especially by avoiding light sources directly in front of the screen that contribute to glare).

2. LCD screens help (Samsung Syncmaster S24C750P in my case).

3. Kindle Paperwhite helps. I can look at for four to five hours straight without eye fatigue.

4. Rest every hour for 10 minutes and do some eye exercises can delay the onset of fatigue by an hour or two.


I find that in my case eye strain is especially bad in the morning. This probably has to do with ambient light being too bright. For people with severe cases of eye strain I recommend a dual screen setup and set your external LCD screen as default and only use the Retina on you MBP when absolutely necessary. Try not to look at computer screens the first thing in the morning. Look outside for a good 30 minutes before turning on your computer.

Retina Display MacBook Pro eye problem and strain

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