Q: Hello there, I got a MAC OSX PowerPC G4, it's getting a bit slow and I would like to clean it. But I can not install the Mackeeper ... more
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Oct 11, 2012 5:19 PMby LordZedd,John Galt wrote:
it really is disgracefull that anyone should be allowed to advertise this product so prominently on established web sites.That is called "free market", AKA, capitalism. If you think anybody has the right to allow/disallow somebody else to accept third-party advertizing on their private buisness space then there are plenty of communist countries you can move to and be happy.
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Oct 11, 2012 5:27 PMby stevejobsfan0123,That is my unbiased opinion that many others share. You seem to be a huge fan of the program, on the other hand.
LordZedd wrote:
stevejobsfan0123 wrote:
I don't need to find you any negative professional review.
Read the rest of my post. If it is proof you are looking for, look for legitimate reviews from users of the crapware.
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Oct 11, 2012 9:13 PMby R C-R,John Galt did not write what you attributed to him. Richb1910 wrote that here, & John quoted him. Richb1910 is one of quite a few users who have had firsthand experience with MacKeeper causing more problems than it fixes & written about it here in ASC.
That doesn't mean MacKeeper isn't a legitimate commercial application, but it is one fairly well documented by users to sometimes have unintended & even catastrophic side effects. It isn't malware but neither is it coded well enough to completely avoid these effects.
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Oct 12, 2012 6:53 AMby etresoft,Mennost wrote:
I got a Mac OS X 10.5.8 - a PowerPC G4
It's getting slow and I would like to clean it. But I couldn't install the Mackeeper.
So my question is, what is the best way to clean up my Mac. And if it's by installing a programm, how can I install it?
The biggest problem with MacKeeper is that it sends people on tangents of whether it is or is not scamware. While I have engaged in that argument in the past, I shan't today. On a Mac, you don't need any "clean up" software of any kind. They will only do damage.
Can you quantify what you mean by "getting slow"? Is your hard drive full? How old is your hard drive? How much other software do you have installed? For a machine that old, I'm guessing the answer is "a lot". If you buy a new hard drive and start fresh with just the software that you really use, I'm sure you will restore factory-fresh performance. That is going to cost money and time and you have to be careful that the software you reinstall is compatible with the old system. Maybe it is time to consider an upgrade to a new machine.
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Oct 12, 2012 8:10 AMby R C-R,LordZedd wrote:
Did you miss the "free market" thing above? They are a legit and legal company. They are not breaking any laws.
However, ZeoBit has employed in the past some very sleazy & marginally legal marketing techniques, such as allowing what it now claims were its "affiliate accounts" (which often seemed to be little more than fronts for the company itself) to place ads for MacKeeper on web sites that initiated a download of the product when unsuspecting users clicked on a "More Info" button or deceptively claimed the product is "free" without making it clear that after 15 days it starts nagging you to buy the unlocked version.
ZeoBit has cleaned up its act quite a bit recently -- see for example its current FAQ for its "ZeoProfit" affiliate program, which gives you an idea of the abuses it now prohibits. But there are still things about its own advertising practices that are questionable, like its claim here that it is the "#1 system utility for Mac in the world" or that it is a Sunnyvale, California company & the Kiev, Ukraine location is just an "Aggregated Partner," whatever that is supposed to mean.
None of this means the product itself doesn't offer features some users might find useful but it certainly doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the company.
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Oct 12, 2012 10:11 PMby LordZedd,Doesn't matter. There are thousands of sleazy companies throughout the USA let alone the world.
Samsung is a sleazy company, yet Apple buys a huge amount of memory and chips from them.
Even Apple is technically a sleazy company, stealing Xerox's UI ideas, many other ideas and patenting them as their own. All legally.
Yet everyone cheers on a blatantly law-breaking company like Psystar.
If you don't like their product, don't buy it!
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Oct 12, 2012 10:19 PMby LordZedd,Sorry, what you have said is false. Macs DO need their software" cleaned up".
It is even more important if the machine is not allowed to stay turned on from 3:30am-5:30am so that Apple's maintenance scripts can run.
Every few months caches need to be cleaned out, logs need to be deleted, disk permissions need to be repaired, volume structures need to be repaired, and the spotlight index should be rebuilt. Failing to do any of that on an older computer WILL result in a slow machine.
None of that is done automatically. If you don't know how to do them yourself, a cleaning utility is the only viable solution short of reformatting the disk and reinstalling the OS.
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Oct 13, 2012 4:53 AMby R C-R,HelpfulLordZedd wrote:
Every few months caches need to be cleaned out, logs need to be deleted, disk permissions need to be repaired, volume structures need to be repaired, and the spotlight index should be rebuilt. Failing to do any of that on an older computer WILL result in a slow machine.
Nonsense. Permissions, caches, Spotlight indexes, etc. don't just spontaneously become corrupted or mis-set. I have used many PPC Macs over the years & administered a great many more, & the only thing close to routine maintenance I performed was to run Disk Utility's Repair Disk on desktop models if they were running or sleeping when a power failure occurred, since sudden loss of power can result in files not being closed properly & lead to file system corruption. But even when I did that, it was rare for Disk Utility to find anything wrong.
If you need to do these things periodically to keep your Mac from slowing down, you have some issue that needs to be identified & corrected. It isn't normal & running a suite of utilities isn't going to fix the underlying cause.
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Oct 14, 2012 1:49 PMby etresoft,LordZedd wrote:
Sorry, what you have said is false. Macs DO need their software" cleaned up".
It is even more important if the machine is not allowed to stay turned on from 3:30am-5:30am so that Apple's maintenance scripts can run.
Well, there is "clean up" and then there is "clean up". You are referring to system maintenance scripts. in the context of a PowerPC machine, what you say is correct. For newer machines, system maintenance scripts run automatically.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2319
What I was referring to are MacKeeper and similar tools that offer to "clean up" "unused" or "unneeded" files. This has nothing to do with system maintenance scripts. The idea is to strip out either PPC or Intel code or any languages you aren't using. That is just asking for a hard drive reformat and system reinstall.
Every few months caches need to be cleaned out, logs need to be deleted, disk permissions need to be repaired, volume structures need to be repaired, and the spotlight index should be rebuilt. Failing to do any of that on an older computer WILL result in a slow machine.
None of that is done automatically. If you don't know how to do them yourself, a cleaning utility is the only viable solution short of reformatting the disk and reinstalling the OS.
None of that "needs" to be done, even on Leopard. Caches are intended to speed up the system. Deleting them will only slow it down. Log files will take disk space, but not much of that. If you are that low on disk space, then you just need a newer, bigger hard drive. Disk permissions only need to be rebuilt if you have some poorly designed 3rd party software that has corrupted them. Sadly, that is not uncommon. Disks don't need to be repaired unless the system crashes or you have kernel panics.
Generally, if an older machines seems to be running slow, the cause is usually a full or dying hard disk. Both are easily solved with a new drive.
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Oct 14, 2012 1:54 PMby etresoft,LordZedd wrote:
Even Apple is technically a sleazy company, stealing Xerox's UI ideas, many other ideas and patenting them as their own. All legally.
That is a myth. Apple gave Xerox a stock option deal worth hundreds of millions of dollars for that visit.
While Apple is staffed by human beings (a fact largely ignored here on the forums) who sometimes make mistakes, Apple is most definitely not a sleazy company.
