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intermittent distortion using MainStage 2 with PreSonus FP10, intermittent distortion using MainStage 2 with two PreSonus FP10's?

Greetings,


I am using MainStage 2 as my in-ear monitor mixer and for vocal and guitar fx and for keyboard patches. I use this mixer for live shows.

I plug all vocal mics, guitar mics, bass into my PreSonus FP10, I use the FP10 as my digital interface to the mac.

I run my keyboard controller and home made USB foot swith through the USB 2.0 ports.

The problem I have is at anytime during a live set digital distortion will creep in while we are playing or even between songs and we have to kill MainStage and re-start it. Sometimes we can go an entire show and not have the problem other times it can happen two or three times within a single set.


I have done the obvious, opening the buffer size in MainStage but that does not help.

I have moved the MainStage concert that we use to an external USB 2.0 (7200 rpm) drive but that does not help either.


I am running out of ideas on how to correct it and wanted to see if anyone else was having this or a similar issue.


I am running a macbook pro 2.2Ghz Intel i7 with 8G of memory running Lion 10.7.5



Thanks!

MacBook Pro (15-inch Late 2011), Mac OS X (10.7.5), Two PreSonus FP10's in Aggregate

Posted on Oct 14, 2012 8:40 PM

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Posted on Oct 15, 2012 3:14 AM

Hi there,


I run a similar setup, with an motu ultralite or saffire pro 26 (backup), more than 100 patches, process my vocal, different in-ear monitor mixes, get the aux from the FOH, play some sounds from Mainstage playback and sometimes use ableton live with backing tracks with VST and lyrics for the band 🙂


This was achieve by making the mainstage concerto the most stable possible with extensive tests before the gigs.


My MacBook Pro (15-inch Late 2011) with 16Gb and SDD is ONLY used for audio nothing else. My lion and mainstage are not update because it runs well and I´m steel afraid to do the update (but you can always do a backup with time machine, update and see).


The first thing you could try is to do a new (or use a copy) concert and start from that. You should only put one patch, with all the vocal and guitar fx, your in-ear and one basic keyboard soud. Build this step by step.


That can eliminate some erros and maybe the cause of the mainstage to close.


Try this and let me know the result.


sorry for my english (i´m portuguese)

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Oct 15, 2012 3:14 AM in response to lividviking

Hi there,


I run a similar setup, with an motu ultralite or saffire pro 26 (backup), more than 100 patches, process my vocal, different in-ear monitor mixes, get the aux from the FOH, play some sounds from Mainstage playback and sometimes use ableton live with backing tracks with VST and lyrics for the band 🙂


This was achieve by making the mainstage concerto the most stable possible with extensive tests before the gigs.


My MacBook Pro (15-inch Late 2011) with 16Gb and SDD is ONLY used for audio nothing else. My lion and mainstage are not update because it runs well and I´m steel afraid to do the update (but you can always do a backup with time machine, update and see).


The first thing you could try is to do a new (or use a copy) concert and start from that. You should only put one patch, with all the vocal and guitar fx, your in-ear and one basic keyboard soud. Build this step by step.


That can eliminate some erros and maybe the cause of the mainstage to close.


Try this and let me know the result.


sorry for my english (i´m portuguese)

Oct 15, 2012 11:26 AM in response to Bruno Filipe

Bruno,


Thanks for the reply. I need to be clear in saying that Mainstage does not quit or close when I get the distortion, I can keep playing a song but it has distortion in the track and or vocals. I have to manually quit mainstage and then relaunch it.


I wanted to ask if you are running everything off of your internal drive or do you have audio files and concerts running on an external drive? And is your internal drive 7200 RPM or 5400 RPM? I am using a 5400 RPM drive for my internal drive.

Oct 15, 2012 11:48 AM in response to lividviking

Sorry, I didn´t read your question properly.


Digital Distortion.... could it be mainstage be in another sample rate than the Presonus?


Are you only using the analogs in/out or the S/PDIF too?


How many Channel Strips are you using?


How is the CPU Load?


You could try to remove (temporaly) all the wav/tracks you have to see if it is the drive causing the problem. maybe...


I´m using 2 drives. One SSD with the Lion and the concerts and everything related to mainstage, VST, etc, and the other just an image of the first with mainstage (if something goes wrong with the SDD drive I change to the SATA at 5.400 rpm - much slower of course 😟


Try those things and post an image if you can.


I´m very interested in your usb foot switch. what does it do and how do you buid it. PM/email me if you like.


Thanks

Oct 15, 2012 8:17 PM in response to lividviking

I'm not familiar with the Presonus FP10 but a quick Google search indicates that it uses Firewire connectivity. Have you tried switching out the Firewire cable? I know it sounds a bit simplistic but I strongly suggest that you try using a different - and preferably high-quality - cable. I had what sounds to be exactly the same problem with my MainStage/MOTU Ultralite Mk3 rig and someone on this board suggested changing the cable and so I did.....it completely fixed the problem. I couldn't believe it. I ended up paying about $60 for an ultra high-quality Firewire cable but I'd definitely recommend that you go out and buy a brand-new high-quality cable from a store where you can obtain a refund if that doesn't fix the problem.

Oct 25, 2012 2:34 PM in response to Bruno Filipe

Bruno,


The footswitch was made from an extra USB keyboard, a steel 2" x 6" wall stud and 20 push button switches.

I used the controller card from the USB keyboard and soldered each push button switch to a key, so each switch is actually assigned to key on the keyboard. I use a program called MidiKeys to control the foot controller, assign the keys within MainStage.


I use the foot controller to switch on/off vocal effects patches in MainStage (I can control everyones vocal effects pre FOH) as well as guitar effects through pedal board in MainStage. It can be programmed to control any patch or control in MainStage or Logic.


Total cost to build the controller was around $60 USD and about four hours of time.

This is a way cheaper and more flexible alternative to an Apogee Gio or equivelent.


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Jul 23, 2014 3:27 AM in response to lividviking

I am having a similar issue - I run mainstage through 2 motu 8pre's daisy chained together. The outputs on the 1st 8pre service the foh speakers and the outputs on the second service my monitors. It is only my monitor mix that becomes distorted. Looking at responses here it looks like i am off to buy a new firewire cable to link the two 8pre's

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