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Q: Why can't I use my iCloud email address as my Apple ID

When I want to enter my iCloud email address (like foo@icloud.com) as my Apple ID, the system at appleid.apple.com tells me that I can't use an email address with a domain owned by Apple as my Apple ID which I find odd enough. I tried to create a new Apple ID through appleid.apple.com just to see what happens and even then it says that you cannot use an email address with an Apple domain.

 

It becomes even more odd when you consider that, if I'm not wrong, you can very well create a new Apple ID and use a new @icloud.com email address if you do it with an iPhone.

 

I can use my iCloud address as the primary email address of my Apple ID account so it's not a huge problem, but it still annoys me a little bit that the name of my Apple ID has to continue being my obsolete Gmail address.

 

Does anyone have more information on this?

Posted on Oct 15, 2012 8:48 AM

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  • by bluefox34,

    bluefox34 bluefox34 Oct 10, 2014 5:28 PM in response to Csound1
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    Oct 10, 2014 5:28 PM in response to Csound1

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    There is nothing in that post that is "recommending abandoning apple id email address"

     

    You fail to quote what it is you claim I said, instead you identify an entirely irrelevant post. So far you have failed to back up a single thing you have claimed.

     

    I'm done with you.

     

    Oh lord!

  • by gail from maine,

    gail from maine gail from maine Oct 10, 2014 7:41 PM in response to bluefox34
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    Oct 10, 2014 7:41 PM in response to bluefox34

    So, you are claiming that even with 2-step verification that you think you can get into my Apple ID? How, exactly, would you be getting the verification code to do such a thing?

     

    GB

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Oct 11, 2014 1:12 AM in response to gail from maine
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    Oct 11, 2014 1:12 AM in response to gail from maine

    Don't waste your time Gail, you can't match wits against an unarmed adversary, it never stops

  • by bluefox34,

    bluefox34 bluefox34 Oct 11, 2014 4:38 AM in response to gail from maine
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    Oct 11, 2014 4:38 AM in response to gail from maine

    gail from maine wrote:

     

    So, you are claiming that even with 2-step verification that you think you can get into my Apple ID? How, exactly, would you be getting the verification code to do such a thing?

     

    GB

     

    Again, 2FA protected accounts can be broken into with a compromised primary address. Bruce Schneier talks about 2FA weaknesses and you can google him up. You guys need to understand that security is broken at its weakest link, not the strongest. If apple can go through the effort to implement 2FA, why continue to require an external apple id address/primary address? What is the benefit?

     

    And again I've already offered to show it to you. If you're so confident in your account's security, what do you have to lose?

  • by bluefox34,

    bluefox34 bluefox34 Oct 11, 2014 4:38 AM in response to Csound1
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    Oct 11, 2014 4:38 AM in response to Csound1

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Don't waste your time Gail, you can't match wits against an unarmed adversary, it never stops

     

    I am not your adversary. You really have a negative way of thinking.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Oct 11, 2014 4:47 AM in response to bluefox34
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    Oct 11, 2014 4:47 AM in response to bluefox34

    bluefox34 wrote:

     

    gail from maine wrote:

     

    So, you are claiming that even with 2-step verification that you think you can get into my Apple ID? How, exactly, would you be getting the verification code to do such a thing?

     

    GB

     

    Again, 2FA protected accounts can be broken into with a compromised primary address. Bruce Schneier talks about 2FA weaknesses and you can google him up. You guys need to understand that security is broken at its weakest link, not the strongest. If apple can go through the effort to implement 2FA, why continue to require an external apple id address/primary address? What is the benefit?

     

    And again I've already offered to show it to you. If you're so confident in your account's security, what do you have to lose?

    I am 100% sure that you can not, so please, crack my iCloud account.

     

    How much time will you need to crack my account, would a week be enough or will it take longer? we could meet back here in 7 days and you can show us your success, or vice versa.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Oct 11, 2014 4:52 AM in response to bluefox34
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    Oct 11, 2014 4:52 AM in response to bluefox34

    bluefox34 wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Don't waste your time Gail, you can't match wits against an unarmed adversary, it never stops

     

    I am not your adversary. You really have a negative way of thinking.

    Read it again, you seem to have a serious comprehension problem.

     

    And where is that quote of me recommending posters to give up their Apple address? I am still waiting for you to backup anything you have said to date.

     

    In case you forgot this is what you claimed "Says the person who was recommending abandoning apple id email address (which Apple explicitly advises against doing)"

     

    And it is a lie, your house is already made of glass.

  • by gail from maine,

    gail from maine gail from maine Oct 11, 2014 8:06 PM in response to bluefox34
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    Oct 11, 2014 8:06 PM in response to bluefox34

    I have no idea what you are babbling on about. I did look up Mr. Schneier, and the article that he has on the weakness of 2FA is specifically related to Banks, to fake websites, and to Trojans. How do any of these things apply to an Apple ID? What are you even talking about when you say:

    If apple can go through the effort to implement 2FA, why continue to require an external apple id address/primary address? What is the benefit?

         

    I have no interest in providing you with access to my information. Do you think I'm stupid? I have LifeLock, I have alerts for every Bank and Amex transaction processed on my accounts, and emails from Apple when someone signs onto Find My iPhone. So, clearly, I am doing my best to be aware of any activity going on with any of my valuable information. The last thing I'm going to do is to provide some stranger with my information just because they are baiting me to do so....SERIOUSLY????

     

    Whatever it is you are purporting, you don't seem to be able to articulate it in a clear and unambiguous manner. I have no clue what point it is you are trying to make, or what it is you are attempting to accomplish.

     

     

    So, bye now....

     

    GB

  • by bluefox34,

    bluefox34 bluefox34 Oct 12, 2014 4:07 AM in response to gail from maine
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    Oct 12, 2014 4:07 AM in response to gail from maine

    gail from maine wrote:

     

    I have no idea what you are babbling on about. I did look up Mr. Schneier, and the article that he has on the weakness of 2FA is specifically related to Banks, to fake websites, and to Trojans. How do any of these things apply to an Apple ID? What are you even talking about when you say:

    If apple can go through the effort to implement 2FA, why continue to require an external apple id address/primary address? What is the benefit?

        

    I have no interest in providing you with access to my information. Do you think I'm stupid? I have LifeLock, I have alerts for every Bank and Amex transaction processed on my accounts, and emails from Apple when someone signs onto Find My iPhone. So, clearly, I am doing my best to be aware of any activity going on with any of my valuable information. The last thing I'm going to do is to provide some stranger with my information just because they are baiting me to do so....SERIOUSLY????

     

    Whatever it is you are purporting, you don't seem to be able to articulate it in a clear and unambiguous manner. I have no clue what point it is you are trying to make, or what it is you are attempting to accomplish.

     

     

    So, bye now....

     

    GB

     

    That's about the smartest thing you have said. I think even you now understand that there's no such thing as 100% security and the more weaknesses you add to the system the worse the security becomes. That was the point.

     

    You may not be stupid but your friend here is willing to offer his apple id email account to satisfy his ego. So let's see what happens.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Oct 12, 2014 4:15 AM in response to bluefox34
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    Oct 12, 2014 4:15 AM in response to bluefox34

    bluefox34 wrote:

     

     

    You may not be stupid but your friend here is willing to offer his apple id email account to satisfy his ego. So let's see what happens.

    I am not giving you the ID, you are the one that claims to be able to hack the account, so hack it.

     

    You claim to be able to hack my iCloud account, I am still waiting for you to live up to that. I do not think that you can and that you are trolling, time to do what you say you can, your credibility is at zero, here's a chance to improve it.

     

    I will bet right now that you can not do what you claim to be able to do.

  • by gail from maine,

    gail from maine gail from maine Oct 12, 2014 6:37 AM in response to bluefox34
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    Oct 12, 2014 6:37 AM in response to bluefox34

    Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that if you are an idiot, and you don't protect yourself in an intelligent and observant manner, then bad things can (and likely will) happen. So, if you mean that the inherent weakness in the system is human fallibility or the dazed and confused state of many people when it comes to technology, then, of course, that is the primary weakness.

     

    However, I totally disagree with you that there is an inherent flaw in the security system that Apple has if people follow common sense, and don't put the same password (the one that is the same name as their pet or that is their birthday or that is their spouses name) on every account they own, and don't click on links in emails and send people their credit card information, Apple ID, password, or whatever else is being sought by the lowlifes who send are out there phishing for gullible, naive people who really just don't know any better. The flaw is in the human, not the system.

     

    GB

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Oct 12, 2014 6:47 AM in response to gail from maine
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    Oct 12, 2014 6:47 AM in response to gail from maine

    Not to menton that choosing one of the least private or secure systems in existence (Gmail) means that you start at a very low level. Even if no one hacks it Google can and will sell the information stored in your account as they see fit (that's how they explained their nasty practices to Congress)

     

    After choosing Gmail privacy is gone whatever you use it for.

  • by gail from maine,

    gail from maine gail from maine Oct 12, 2014 6:57 AM in response to Csound1
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    Oct 12, 2014 6:57 AM in response to Csound1

    Yeah - I have not heard good things about Gmail. I always avoid the "Ad" options in my results list on a search for the same reason. Usually the very next item on the list is exactly the same without the "Ad" indicator, so why link up my logon with every vendor I look up just to be pestered by them for the rest of my life....

     

    I prefer Google as my search engine, but I'm not going to be suckered into their little traps if I can avoid it.

     

    As far as mail goes, I'll stick with my Apple account....

     

    GB

  • by bluefox34,

    bluefox34 bluefox34 Oct 12, 2014 7:08 AM in response to gail from maine
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    Oct 12, 2014 7:08 AM in response to gail from maine

    gail from maine wrote:

     

    Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that if you are an idiot, and you don't protect yourself in an intelligent and observant manner, then bad things can (and likely will) happen. So, if you mean that the inherent weakness in the system is human fallibility or the dazed and confused state of many people when it comes to technology, then, of course, that is the primary weakness.

     

    However, I totally disagree with you that there is an inherent flaw in the security system that Apple has if people follow common sense, and don't put the same password (the one that is the same name as their pet or that is their birthday or that is their spouses name) on every account they own, and don't click on links in emails and send people their credit card information, Apple ID, password, or whatever else is being sought by the lowlifes who send are out there phishing for gullible, naive people who really just don't know any better. The flaw is in the human, not the system.

     

    GB

    Agree with you mostly. but I still feel that apple owes it to us to make every reasonable attempt to protect its users. You may be able to understand but most people have a hard time. It doesn't mean that they're stupid though. we just have to agree to disagree and remain civil.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Oct 12, 2014 7:13 AM in response to gail from maine
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    Oct 12, 2014 7:13 AM in response to gail from maine

    Google were called to a congressional hearing to explain their methods. Selling information from user accounts is how they make their money. It's in the fine print.

     

    It's about as secure as a paper bag, (especially if you can pay for other peoples information) which with Google you can.

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