sustain pedal not working

There seems to be a rash of this lately. What happens if you go to the upper far left Logic Pro menu, choose Preferences> then choose Control Surfaces> then select "Bypass all Control Surfaces".

Got the same problem. Got Logic 9.1.8, and using M-Audio Venom keyboard with M-Audio and Yamaha sustain pedals. Both pedals work when using my Motif in Logic, but on the Venom, neither work. The M-Audio guys said to be sure that Logic was seeing my pedal as CC 64, but it sees it as CC 127. Inside the Venom, it's hard coded for CC 64 which I think is what sustain default CC message is.

Things I've tried:

Deleted the /user/library/preferences/com.apple.logic.cs file

Ensured that there are no control surfaces listed in Logic

Bypassed all control surfaces in Logic

What's the deal with Logic and sustain pedals?

Ok, just to clarify... the CC (Control Change) number for Sustain is CC64, that's not a data value it's just one of the 128 (0 to 127) values given to different type of MIDI controls, for example. Master volume is CC7, Panning is CC10, Modulation is CC1.

The data value for sustain is 127=on 0=off

Try this... is the keyboard running off the power adapter or USB?

Unplug the pedal from the Sustain jack, power the keyboard down (unplug both the poweradapter and USB), plug the pedal in, power up the keyboard.

The 64 you're seeing in the Venom is correct... but that's it's CC number, not the value it's sending.

In Settings/MIDI/ look at the Input Filter tab, make sure none of those are selected.

A way to test the Venom is to plug a standard MIDI cable into the 5 pin MIDI OUT port, plug the other end of the cable into the Motif's MIDI IN port. Does the sustain pedal plugged into the Venom send a sustain signal to the Motif?

Thanks for the suggestions. I've since found out that this happens in all my DAWs with this keyboard.

In my earlier post I was mistaken. It's not CC127, but CC119 that the Venom is sending the CC for sustain.

Logic shows CC 119 as the incoming message for the pedal, and I do see the 127 when depressed, and 0 when released so I know the pedal works. So the keyboard is set for 64, but sending out 119. This happens with two different pedals.

As a workaround, is there a way to remap CC64 to CC119 in Logic perhaps?

Yes, you must go into the environment and cable a transformer anywhere between physical input and sequencer input.

1. Open Environment (cmd-8)

2. Go to the "Clicks & Ports" layer. (dropdown menu top left of the environment screen)

3. From the Local Menu New, choose Transformer.

4. Doubleclick the Transformer object, and set it up like this:

5. Now cable it anywhere between Physical Input and Sequencer Input.

That's awesome! Worked like a charm, except for when I started a new project, the settings were not saved. Is there a way to make this a global change or do I have to create some kind of template and work off that from here on out?

Thanks!

Your Korg keyboard can/and should follow the MIDI standart... why not open the Korg manual and learn how to set the sustain pedal to the correct parameters, the sustain pedal should be set to CC64, it will automatically send out two DATA VALUES of 0=pedal up & 127= Pedal Down when the control change (CC) number is set to 64.

There's the Control Change and the Data Values.. don't get them confused. If you don't bother to learn your hardware it's not going to work in any other DAW. Fix the source!

Of course the pedal is plugged into the correct input jack on the back, sustain not expression.

Also, looking at the M-Audio sight there's Drivers and a Firmware update available for the venom.

Pancenter,

It's an M-Audio Venom, not Korg. The M-Audio Venom comes with a program called Vyzex, made by another company for M-Audio. This software allows for deeper configurations of the Venom, and was recommeded by M-Audio support to use for changing / checking the CC that the Venom was using for Sustain. In that software, you can only change the following CC Assignments: Sustain, Expression, and Modulation. The Sustain CC assignment (as shown in the screenshot of Venom Vyzex) is set to 64 and is gray so you cannot change it (not that you would want to). The problem is that it's sending out on CC#119 to the DAWs and not 64. The fact that it is sending out 119 instead of 64 seems to me like there is a hardware or firmware issue with the keyboard, as it does this with two different Sustain pedals.

You are right, the keyboard should be fixed and not the other way around. I have a tech request out to M-Audio on this issue to see if there is something that can be done to fix the keyboard so I don't have to worry about making all these configuration alterations in my DAWs just to accomodate the keyboard.

And just to be clear, yes I've updated the drivers, Vyzex editor software, and firmware (did that when I bought it a few weeks ago). I am also plugging the sustain pedal into the sustain jack.

Also, there's the possibility a soft reset could help as it sets all parameters back to default but leaves any custom sounds in the user bank. It's still likely Logic has assigned a control surface to the the Venom, one thing to do is keep "Bypass all control surfaces in Logic" enabled while you experimenting with other settings.

Yep, sorry about that, I knew it was M-Audio, brain freeze on the korg.

Look in the Manual re: Soft reset (as opposed to Hard reset)

Understand the brain freezes <g>. But yes, I've factory reset it a few times just to see. I guess for now until M-Audio gets back with me I'll just continue to use my Template with the Transform in place. Seems to be the only way around it at this point.

Here's a link to a MIDI Monitor.. you can use it to see incoming MIDI message. I'd try it after a clen reboot of the system and before running Logic just to see wht it shows coming in.

http://www.snoize.com/MIDIMonitor/

I've used it to troubleshoot systems before.

Works in Snow Leopard.. don't know about later systems.

Thanks man. That's a cool utility. It verifies that the synth is putting out CC 119 instead of CC 64.

Yep, it's putting out the correct data 0 for pedal off 127 on but the wrong Control-Change number.

I'm wondering if you could have had a corrupt firmware install.