Trash Can - forced 'instant' delete
Back on 3/12, under the Tiger forum > Trash question, designgod posted:
I know this is maybe a stupid question .
when I go to put anything into trash it asks to get rid of it right a way .
how do I get the trash to just stay in trash with out this, so I may have several items in my trash and then empty at a later time ............ thats how the trash is done on my other computers but not on my G4 power book thanks for any help > 🙂
Best answer I saw was from Michael Conniff:
The usual cause is that you have ownership problems with your Home directory. Using the Finder's "Get Info" command, make sure your Home directory is owned by you, with "Read & Write" access, has a Group that you belong to (e.g. "Staff" or "yourname") with "Read only" access for Group and Other.
I did some ownership changes, that fortunately were less dramatic than I was warned about. But nothing happened to the ‘trash question’ problem. Then I did the following, and posted it in the Trash thread:
this is not working as I expected, folks.
On the offending machine (G4 Tower, OSX 10.3.9), I have the primary account, 'admin'. I have a user account, 'mel'. I go to mel's home account (the house icon), and under Get Info I find that mel owns it, and can read & write. I set the Group access to 'mel' also. I tell the machine to change all the included files to the same access. Accept all this., close Get Info.
I go to a folder in mel, create a dummy folder, and dump it to the trash. It requires that the folder be erased immediately, same as before.
Should I restart the whole machine to get the changes into the prefs?
Perhaps I should tell the admin account that mel is part of a group - ‘good_users’ and access of admin’s area should permit ‘good_users’ to read & write? (meaning I should define such a group - will need to query the machine on how to do that.
What else can I do to tell the trash folder that appears on mel’s home page that it belongs to mel?
Over in the Panther discussion, Joshua Gross posted a simiilar quesiton last Sept., to which Benoit Evens responded:
If the suggestion about checking permissions on your "home" directory did not solve the problem, there is another possibility.
There is a folder called ".Trashes" that you can find at the teminal level.
If it is accidentally deleted, the problem you have appears. If you restart your computer the folder will be automatically recreated and the problem will go away.
If the problem comes back, you may have a program that is deleting that folder.
Back to my machine. This problem has remained through a number of restarts. I am not running anything I am aware of that would dig into the inner workings of the trash area.
I am not fluent at the terminal level, so I went to the terminal, guessed the command was ‘find,’ and was told there was no folder called ‘.Trashes’. There was a folder/file named ‘trash’ but it didn’t tell me an address where I might find it. Perhaps if I do a regular search....
So I’m back to the question: How do I make the trash can accept delted files, and not force me to erase them immeidately?
Jay
I know this is maybe a stupid question .
when I go to put anything into trash it asks to get rid of it right a way .
how do I get the trash to just stay in trash with out this, so I may have several items in my trash and then empty at a later time ............ thats how the trash is done on my other computers but not on my G4 power book thanks for any help > 🙂
Best answer I saw was from Michael Conniff:
The usual cause is that you have ownership problems with your Home directory. Using the Finder's "Get Info" command, make sure your Home directory is owned by you, with "Read & Write" access, has a Group that you belong to (e.g. "Staff" or "yourname") with "Read only" access for Group and Other.
I did some ownership changes, that fortunately were less dramatic than I was warned about. But nothing happened to the ‘trash question’ problem. Then I did the following, and posted it in the Trash thread:
this is not working as I expected, folks.
On the offending machine (G4 Tower, OSX 10.3.9), I have the primary account, 'admin'. I have a user account, 'mel'. I go to mel's home account (the house icon), and under Get Info I find that mel owns it, and can read & write. I set the Group access to 'mel' also. I tell the machine to change all the included files to the same access. Accept all this., close Get Info.
I go to a folder in mel, create a dummy folder, and dump it to the trash. It requires that the folder be erased immediately, same as before.
Should I restart the whole machine to get the changes into the prefs?
Perhaps I should tell the admin account that mel is part of a group - ‘good_users’ and access of admin’s area should permit ‘good_users’ to read & write? (meaning I should define such a group - will need to query the machine on how to do that.
What else can I do to tell the trash folder that appears on mel’s home page that it belongs to mel?
Over in the Panther discussion, Joshua Gross posted a simiilar quesiton last Sept., to which Benoit Evens responded:
If the suggestion about checking permissions on your "home" directory did not solve the problem, there is another possibility.
There is a folder called ".Trashes" that you can find at the teminal level.
If it is accidentally deleted, the problem you have appears. If you restart your computer the folder will be automatically recreated and the problem will go away.
If the problem comes back, you may have a program that is deleting that folder.
Back to my machine. This problem has remained through a number of restarts. I am not running anything I am aware of that would dig into the inner workings of the trash area.
I am not fluent at the terminal level, so I went to the terminal, guessed the command was ‘find,’ and was told there was no folder called ‘.Trashes’. There was a folder/file named ‘trash’ but it didn’t tell me an address where I might find it. Perhaps if I do a regular search....
So I’m back to the question: How do I make the trash can accept delted files, and not force me to erase them immeidately?
Jay
G4 Cube, G4 PowerBook, Mac OS X (10.4.3), Also a G4 Tower (OS 10.3.9)
