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No DVD drive in new iMac ???

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  • indigopete Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 6, 2013 2:43 PM (in response to R C-R)

    R C-R wrote:

     

    2. The post that was removed (along with those that replied to it) did in fact contain what many people would consider a highly offensive swear word

     

    I think "mildly excessive" would be a more accurate description than "highly offensive".

     

    Despite that, post was characteristic of exactly how many customers feel about the new design priorities. The replies were equally assertive and addressed the OP's issues technically and succunctly without wandering off topic or indulging in ad hominem attacks.

     

    The whole exchange therefore encapsulated the core issues of this entire debate in an, engaging and informative way that has taken pages of posts to cover hitherto.

     

    They should not have been deleted.

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,255 points)
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    Sep 6, 2013 3:14 PM (in response to indigopete)

    But the post would have been equally on point if it had omitted the word, and then it would have stayed.

     

    Maybe the word should have been omitted from the post.

  • indigopete Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 6, 2013 3:25 PM (in response to Csound1)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    But the post would have been equally on point if it had omitted the word, and then it would have stayed.

     

    Maybe the word should have been omitted from the post.

     

    With hindsight I'm sure it should have (been omitted). But you can't expect people to be both spontaneous and guarded at the same time.

     

    The person who was in the best position to excersice judgement in weighing up the guideline compliance issues against the merits of the exchange was the mod who deleted it and they made very much the wrong call IMHO.

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,255 points)
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    Sep 6, 2013 3:28 PM (in response to indigopete)

    indigopete wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    But the post would have been equally on point if it had omitted the word, and then it would have stayed.

     

    Maybe the word should have been omitted from the post.

     

    With hindsight I'm sure it should have (been omitted). But you can't expect people to be both spontaneous and guarded at the same time.

    It can also be reposted (sans word) if the OP wishes.

  • Klaus1 Level 8 Level 8 (43,320 points)
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    Sep 6, 2013 3:31 PM (in response to indigopete)

    Are you here to argue endlessly about the rights of Apple to control their own forums, or about the terms of use of the forums, or about the merits or otherwise of Apple no longer including iDVD in new Macs?

     

    Only one of those is the actual subject of this thread, and you have long ago crossed the red line of boring other readers to death, to the point where UN-sanctioned military intervention may be called for.

  • indigopete Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 6, 2013 3:40 PM (in response to Klaus1)

    Klaus1 wrote:

     

    you have long ago crossed the red line of boring other readers to death, to the point where UN-sanctioned military intervention may be called for.

     

    UN-sanctioned !! - excellent

     

    OK. I'll shut up then since I've had my say both on the (deleted) thread topic and that of forum moderation policy.

     

    Even I wouldn't be wanting to be cross any red lines these days.

     

    Back to the merits of building an unreliable DvD drive into a 15mm thick chassis

  • zBernie2 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 6, 2013 8:08 PM (in response to Klaus1)

    It may be difficult to comprehend for those high on Apple juice, but many agree that removing the optical drive and not including a single USB port or card slot in a convenient location is a major drawback in usability for the consumer.

     

    I can believe that the messages by "campbdy" were removed by the Apple thought police, leaving only the true Apple sycophants messages in place.  Thankfully there are other forums where you can disagree with Apple and not have your posts deleted.

  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (13,780 points)
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    Sep 7, 2013 2:36 AM (in response to zBernie2)

    zBernie2 wrote:

    It may be difficult to comprehend for those high on Apple juice, but many agree that removing the optical drive and not including a single USB port or card slot in a convenient location is a major drawback in usability for the consumer.

    Nobody is denying that there are users unhappy about the lack of an optical drive in the new iMacs. But what do you hope to accomplish by griping about it here? These forums are intended for users to help each other solve technical issues -- do you think any of us can somehow make those drives appear in the new iMacs?

    I can believe that the messages by "campbdy" were removed by the Apple thought police, leaving only the true Apple sycophants messages in place.

    I can almost guarantee you the posts by "campbdy" here were removed because other users reported them. I reported the first one myself, but I only suggested that the swear words be edited out because I know they are offensive to many users that frequent these forums.

     

    This isn't an "Apple sycophants" thing. What you don't seem to understand is there are thousands of users that volunteer considerable amounts of their spare time to help other users solve their problems. Wading through the posts that do nothing other than rant about things we can't change just waste their time, time that could be better spent helping users actually looking for solutions. So they frequently report these time wasting rant posts, hoping the mods will remove them, but only the worst offenders actually get removed.

     

    After all, your posts here could hardly be mistaken for the work of Apple sycophants, yet they remain. If what you said is true, how do you explain that?

  • Hemlaw Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 6, 2013 7:00 AM (in response to grandfield)

    Unpacked my new iMac last week.  Tried to insert a DVD yesterday.  WHAaaaaat!  No DVD drive? 

     

    What brainiac came up with this idear, I wonder?

     

    Apple should have a clear notice in its store about this substantial deletion.  I never thought to check because it's just an established feature.

  • Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (39,335 points)
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    Nov 6, 2013 8:25 AM (in response to Hemlaw)

    Did you ever hear of the concept of checking out the specification of hardware before you purchase it? That is the reason why Apple published them.

     

    Allan

  • poikkeus1 Level 3 Level 3 (955 points)
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    Nov 6, 2013 8:37 AM (in response to Hemlaw)

    I was singing the same song myself - until last week. My faithful 2009 iMac was working perfectly, until I started experiencing obscure errors. I could play CDs and DVDs, but just couldn't burn them. Two-thirds of the way in, I'd get a error, and the rip simply stopped.

     

    I was able to address the problem by purchasing a different brand of DVD-R blanks (Sony works best for me). But I've been increasingly aware of how many users were exasperated that the iMac Superdrive would die prematurely, forcing them to use a USB combo drive.

     

    I can assure you, this happens a lot. Apple's strategy does make sense: Make an iMac that's faster, thinner, and cooler. Those who want a Superdrive (or combo drive) can purchase one separately, since it's the component that's most likely to fail. You may agree or disagree, but that's Apple's logic. After my recent experiences, I've got to say it makes sense.

  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (13,780 points)
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    Nov 6, 2013 6:17 PM (in response to Hemlaw)

    Hemlaw wrote:

    Apple should have a clear notice in its store about this substantial deletion.  I never thought to check because it's just an established feature.

    People used to say the same thing about floppy drives....

  • Carousel Calculating status...
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    Nov 15, 2013 9:16 PM (in response to Hemlaw)

    omg... almost just purchased one. Now trying to balance the pros and cons, seems like there are many more cons!

  • Carousel Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 15, 2013 9:21 PM (in response to R C-R)

    CD's are tangible as floppys used to be. I don't want my stuff being stored in the "air" with Cloud. I know people who stated that have lost information on Cloud technology, already...including my friends photos of her family for the last decade. I want to have the ability to use CD's without lugging an external.

  • steve359 Level 6 Level 6 (12,035 points)
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    Nov 15, 2013 9:26 PM (in response to Carousel)

    USB sticks hold 64 GB and beyond in smaller space.  Capacity on USB sticks increases in the same "footprint".

     

    If you insist that DVDs with max capability of 8.5 GB (DL) is the height of technology, you are limiting yourself.

     

    I am a bit of a caveman but can see the advantages of USB sticks or SD cards.

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