Q: No DVD drive in new iMac ???

Define  all-in-one? Since you are doing video and want-not. Where's the video input on the Mac? They used to come with one. Where's the dial-up modem just incase you can't get (ethernet) Internet? The Mac used to come with both... where is it? on and on. Define all-in-one please?

(I want the new the Macs to come with video glasses. So I can be . )

David M Brewer Denver, CO

Define  all-in-one? Since you are doing video and want-not. Where's the video input on the Mac? They used to come with one. Where's the dial-up modem just incase you can't get (ethernet) Internet? The Mac used to come with both... where is it? on and on. Define all-in-one please?

(I want the new the Macs to come with video glasses. So I can be . )

wellll.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Power_Mac_G3_AIO_corrected.jpg

or something like this but still would go for the apple....

http://www.dell.com/us/soho/p/xps-one-27-2710-aio/pd

Apple is prettier

Yes... Infact I do FedEx my breakfast from the kitchen. Apple should not have JUST a DVD drive in their machine. It should be a BluRay drive. We produce video and almost all video coming down the pike is proofed with BluRay. The optical drive has kept up very will with the evolution of the computer. Starting with it's original CD of 650 megabytes, to the DVD with 4.7 gigabytes, to the current BluRay with 50 gigabytes of storage. As with any media, when stored properly, optical has the longest shelf life at 95% readable at 10.7 years as tested by the library of congress. Solid state/USB drives have no standard test, but it is generally ageed that if you are storing on solid state you are somewhere aroung the 5 year range. And conventional hard drives come in last with a lifespan of around 3-5 years. The optical drive also wins in the cost per gig of storage. 3.6¢ per gig for optical, 71¢ for USB 2.0 jump drive and hard drives at 4¢ per gig.

As for transmitting files... you should understand that while you may have a fast downstream, your upstream may not be, and in most cases is not equal. Our downstream here is around 35 mbps, fairly respectable. But our upstream at our location is only around 5 mbps. That means that transmitting a 25 gig BluRay proof takes almost 13 hours. We can literally drive a proof from Central Utah to Los Angles, CA faster than we can transmit it on our local provider (the only provider here).

As for showing video off of you internet connection... Well, that might be good enough for you. You get a fair image at 3.9 mbps which is about the avarage for the web. But it will never match the 36 mbps that BluRay disc offers. It physically can't be done. As a producer of weddings I can tell you that I have never had a bride ask me to show her wedding video on YouTube at her wedding. Events such as these require the best, highest, recording abiltiy possible.

You may not need it, but there is a pro market out there that uses it and distributes on it. If you are satisfied with cheap blocky, banded video (or your perception is too poor to see it) then fine, enjoy your web video. If you are someone who likes the theater experience and attention to detail... don't give up your optical media. Especially with 4K TV on the horizon and 500 gig opticals now in development.

justamacguy wrote:

 

Apple should not have JUST a DVD drive in their machine. It should be a BluRay drive. We produce video and almost all video coming down the pike is proofed with BluRay.

It's amazing how many of the posts in this thread which are critical of Apple's policy, do nothing but extole the virtues of optical drives or "how much they are still needed".

The point here is whether it's worthwhile for a computer manufacturer to dedicate proportionaly very significant amounts of space, design compromise in almost every aspect of the machine, and land themselves with a chronic support headache, to carry an on-board component that's in occasional use by a minority of users.

A hard drive is in almost continual use during the time that the machine is switched on. It has a justified place as an integral part of the machine. An optical drive does not - it generally gets used for a discrete data transfer action or (even more rarely) to watch a film.

It's simple design economics - the optical drive does not belong as an integral part of the machine. A no-brainer if you're designing new machines, especially given how easy it is to plug a USB external one.

Now were are you going to get this 4k content, And who is going to provide it? With 1080o common today, cable can't even deliver 1080p content.

Forget it 8k is on it's way to a Best Buy near your.

BTW Apple didn't want to foot the bill for Blu-ray licensing.

indigopete

...A no-brainer if you're designing new machines, especially given how easy it is to plug a USB external one.

As you say… a no-brainer… I don’t mind that it’s external what really bothers me is that they didn’t come up with something new or revolutionary, that they don't let you choose whether you want it or not and that they charge you for your need. At the time of the bondi blue the floppy drive was created external and using a USB. Not much people knew or understood what that new wonderful witchcraft USB was… Using the same “no-brainer” solution today it’s a really slow one.

You can access with a mac book air by wi-fi a DVD in other computer… Why didn’t they come up with a wireless solution to the DVD/BluRay??? I would pay happily for a solution like that!!!!

They have to re-encode the DVD content on the fly to play over wifi... Blu-ray forget it. Who want's that crap? How do you think AirPlay on a Mac works... same way.

justamacguy wrote:

You may not need it, but there is a pro market out there that uses it and distributes on it.

Are you suggesting that Apple should build a BR player into every new iMac because a pro market distributes on it? Or that these pros do or should depend on built-in BR burners for their work?

Despite what you say about its merits (which I don't dispute) BR is not exactly taking the consumer market by storm. And if what you say is true about even higher capacity BR discs on the horizon, why on earth would I want to buy an iMac now with a built-in player that won't support them?

As simply as I can put it, one size does not fit all.

David M Brewer Denver, CO

They have to re-encode the DVD content on the fly to play over wifi... Blu-ray forget it. Who want's that crap? How do you think AirPlay on a Mac works... same way.

I don't have a multi billion dollar company nor I’m no technician to create it.... But If I did I would and charge a ridiculous amount of money!!!! And then buy it just for the joy of it!!!!!

R C-R Texas, USA

...As simply as I can put it, one size does not fit all.

It's a shame cause it used to!!!!!

Yes I am suggesting that they should have a BluRay option. We can get it on our Windows machines. Why not Apple. When you are out on the road producing a $10K wedding on site hardware matters. If Apple just wants to distribute to the "fan boy" crowd who's whims change with the wind, well that is their business. Look what their stock has done since they moved from, or at least haven't maintained, the more stable pro business model. Hope you didn't buy at $800.

Gaining options is always better than limiting options.

justamacguy wrote:

 

Yes I am suggesting that they should have a BluRay option. We can get it on our Windows machines. Why not Apple. When you are out on the road producing a $10K wedding on site hardware matters. If Apple just wants to distribute to the "fan boy" crowd who's whims change with the wind, well that is their business. Look what their stock has done since they moved from, or at least haven't maintained, the more stable pro business model. Hope you didn't buy at $800.

Nobody did, the stock was never at that price.

If you are using computers as a tool for production then buy whatever fits your clients needs, not yours.

pipogoro wrote:

 

David M Brewer Denver, CO

 

Re: No DVD drive in new iMac ???

 

16-mar-2013 12:22 (in response to pipogoro)

 

They have to re-encode the DVD content on the fly to play over wifi... Blu-ray forget it. Who want's that crap? How do you think AirPlay on a Mac works... same way.

 

I don't have a multi billion dollar company nor I’m no technician to create it.... But If I did I would and charge a ridiculous amount of money!!!! And then buy it just for the joy of it!!!!!

Now that's ridiculous!!!

justamacguy wrote:

 

Yes I am suggesting that they should have a BluRay option. We can get it on our Windows machines. Why not Apple. When you are out on the road producing a $10K wedding on site hardware matters. If Apple just wants to distribute to the "fan boy" crowd who's whims change with the wind, well that is their business. Look what their stock has done since they moved from, or at least haven't maintained, the more stable pro business model. Hope you didn't buy at $800.

Shooting a $10,000 video and you rant about buying a 50¢ DVD player. A $10.000 wedding video is ridiculous... Is the divorce video included in that price?

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