How to move applications without copying?

Hi there,


I just installed 10.7 today, after I found out that my MacBook Pro is a month too old to run 10.8. I've noticed a few changes. One of them is that my applications folder is not to my liking.


I organize my applications into folders. I have a LOT of applications and I'm an organized person. Having 150+ applicaitons in one folder would a) reduce my productivity and b) make me cringe every time I use my computer. OS 10.7 doesn't seem to like my choice. When I try to move applicaitons out of the base folder, the application is copied, not moved. Is there an easy way to move applicaitons without copying them? Do I have to hold a special key or do a 7-finger swipe or something?


I can move apps using a sudo mv command in the terminal. The last time I remember using a terminal to overcome the operating system trying to protect me from myself... oh, I remember. It was about 10 years ago when I was using a Windows machine, and it was the experience that convinced me to switch to Mac.


Now, before I get a thousand replys, please don't bother telling me not to move my applications. I've organized them like this for nearly a decade and I'm going to continue doing so. They don't update, they got confused... you can use whatever argument you want. I'm going to keep doing it this way. I don't save every document on my computer into one huge gross pile of crap, and I won't have my applications that way either. It's my computer and I should be able to organize it how I want (yes, I know software developers have to make choices in designing software. I just disagree with the choices made here, and I think hardcoding in paths is bad design). Launchpad doesn't allow for subfolders, so its out.


The question is, is there an "official" way to move apps, or do I have to kludge it through the terminal?


Thanks,

Adrian

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.5)

Posted on Oct 24, 2012 1:16 PM

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Posted on Oct 24, 2012 3:33 PM

Experimented in Mountain Lion. It's the apps themselves that need their permissions changed. With iTunes, the defaults are like this:


User uploaded file


I opened the lock and changed the Custom setting to Read & Write. I was then able to move iTunes wherever I wanted. Mail didn't have the extra everyone heading, but changing the two which were Read only to Read & Write allowed me to move it into a new subfolder within Applications.


Firefox allowed me to put it where I wanted with no modifications, as did any other third party app. For whatever reason, Apple seems to think the location of their apps should be immutable. Most of the reason for it though is because of the large number of users who intentionally, or accidentally move or delete things they shouldn't. Like hiding the Library folder in your user account. Same reason. People digging and tossing willy-nilly without knowing what they're doing. I think most of these kinds of changes were to cut down on support calls.


I know you don't want to hear it, but I feel I must add that this is not a good idea. The biggest reason being one you mentioned. Hard wired coding. Apps may not update properly, or at all if the updaters don't find things in their default locations. I've had the occasional third party app in the past that refused to even run if it wasn't specifically in the Applications folder.

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Oct 24, 2012 3:33 PM in response to Curcurbita

Experimented in Mountain Lion. It's the apps themselves that need their permissions changed. With iTunes, the defaults are like this:


User uploaded file


I opened the lock and changed the Custom setting to Read & Write. I was then able to move iTunes wherever I wanted. Mail didn't have the extra everyone heading, but changing the two which were Read only to Read & Write allowed me to move it into a new subfolder within Applications.


Firefox allowed me to put it where I wanted with no modifications, as did any other third party app. For whatever reason, Apple seems to think the location of their apps should be immutable. Most of the reason for it though is because of the large number of users who intentionally, or accidentally move or delete things they shouldn't. Like hiding the Library folder in your user account. Same reason. People digging and tossing willy-nilly without knowing what they're doing. I think most of these kinds of changes were to cut down on support calls.


I know you don't want to hear it, but I feel I must add that this is not a good idea. The biggest reason being one you mentioned. Hard wired coding. Apps may not update properly, or at all if the updaters don't find things in their default locations. I've had the occasional third party app in the past that refused to even run if it wasn't specifically in the Applications folder.

Oct 24, 2012 2:26 PM in response to Curcurbita

Lion has changed the permissions of certain folders as belonging to the OS. You should be able to accomplish what you want by simply changing the permissions.


Highlight the Applications folder and press Command+I. Click the lock at the lower left and enter your admin password. Under Sharing & Permissions. I'm looking at a Mountain Lion Applications folder from within Snow Leopard at the moment, but I believe it's the same for Lion. Right now, only System and Admin have Read/Write access. Click the + button to add yourself (the current logged in user account) with Read/Write access. Close the box.


Can you move them now, or do they still insist on copying?

Oct 24, 2012 3:40 PM in response to Kurt Lang

That's the ticket. Thanks so much for enabling my bad behavior :-).


I appreciate your thoughts, Kurt. In my defense, I will say that I've been organizing my apps this way for a good long time now without any serious problems. I'll also add that I still think its bad design to hard code in paths. It shouldn't matter where users install programs. The OS, or the programs themselves, should be smart enough to figure that out. Not that my thoughts make any difference. My idea of "I should be able to use my device how I want" seems to be out of fashion these days, with the rise of mobile devices and more constrained operating systems.


I understand there are a lot of ways for users to make mistakes and Apple wants to prevent that, since most users probably shouldn't move apps (or mess around in the Library folder, etc. etc.). But I also wish there was a way to click a checkbox or something to take the training wheels off. I don't like the "Apple knows best" attidute, which is exactly what drove me away from Windows many years ago. But I digress...


Thanks again,

Adrian

Oct 24, 2012 4:44 PM in response to Curcurbita

Thanks so much for enabling my bad behavior :-).

Haha! No problem. 🙂

I'll also add that I still think its bad design to hard code in paths.

I agree. Like this one I discovered a while back:


The Adobe CS4 applications have their own new annoyance. I have found that if you remove the profile "sRGB Profile.icc" from the /System/Library/ColorSync/Profiles/folder, the File Info dialogue box in Illustrator CS4 will come up blank! So will the entire Adobe Extension Manager CS4 interface. What this one particular profile could possibly have to do with the display of a dialogue box, I don't know. You also can't move that profile to the /Library/ColorSync/Profiles/ folder, or the Profiles folder in your user account. While the profile is just as active in either location, the CS4 applications mentioned will blank out if that profile is not specifically in the System's Profiles folder.


Really bad programming there. For one, there's zero need in the first place for a display box to require any kind of profile. Secondly, there's also zero reason for the apps to hard code the location of a particular profile. If sRGB is in an active Profiles folder in any location, it should be able to find the profile the same way every other app does.

But I also wish there was a way to click a checkbox or something to take the training wheels off. I don't like the "Apple knows best" attitude, which is exactly what drove me away from Windows many years ago. But I digress...

Not completely. That's been a huge gripe from many, many users on Apple's decision making of late. As in, "What!? You removed Save As? What!? You mean I can't turn Autosave/Versions off!!??" Whose documents are these, anyway? The early Lion "feature" that insisted on opening all of the windows and apps you had open on a restart, again to mimic an iPad, which wouldn't stay turned off until enough users complained. And other examples where Apple is trying much too hard to try and make OS X look and behave like the iOS. Sorry, this is a desktop computer I'm using, not an iPad. Quit trying to make my desktop behave like an iPad. Different type of computer, completely different usage.

Oct 24, 2012 7:06 PM in response to Kurt Lang

Sorry, this is a desktop computer I'm using, not an iPad. Quit trying to make my desktop behave like an iPad. Different type of computer, completely different usage.

I couldn't agree more.


*rant warning* I just found out that Apple is cracking down on the icon customization program that I use to make my computer friendly. :-( !!! Man, I barely want to use the old box anymore. It has to look how Apple wants. It has to behave how Apple wants. I'm glad they at least still let me choose my own desktop background. If this is the future of Apple, I'm switching to... whatever upstart company that respects their users and makes well-designed products focused on a user experience comes into existence because of the monopoly of the large, unresponive giant that offers an inflexible user experience. In other words, Apple of 10 years ago.


Maybe 10.8 is better? I'm stuck at 10.7 (or going back to 10.6, if I can), so I wouldn't know.


Enough Applebashing for one day...

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