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Q: SSD Drives for Older PowerMacs

Hi,

 

I've seen that you can buy SSD drives for older Macs. I didn't even realise this could be done until I saw OWCs website.

 

I'm wondering if anyone has tried them in a G5 PowerMac? Is there any real noticeable increase in performance?

 

I have a 2005 Dual 2Ghz G5 Powermac with 4GB RAM and running Leopard 10.5.8. It takes an age to start up, in fact it's that long I go and make a cup of tea while it boots up!! Generally it feels slow too. Would an SSD Drive make it boot faster?

 

Kind Regards

Dave

G5, Mac OS X (10.4.9)

Posted on Oct 26, 2012 3:26 AM

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  • by LordZedd,Helpful

    LordZedd LordZedd Oct 26, 2012 7:01 AM in response to mandarcy
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    Oct 26, 2012 7:01 AM in response to mandarcy

    Any SSD will work in your G5. It will make a very significant improvement in how smooth the machine feels and responds, especially compared to the antique HD your machine came with.

  • by BDAqua,Helpful

    BDAqua BDAqua Oct 26, 2012 1:06 PM in response to mandarcy
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    Oct 26, 2012 1:06 PM in response to mandarcy

    Make sure it has a Sandforce chipset & can slow down to the G5's 1.5Gb/sec speeds.

  • by japamac,Solvedanswer

    japamac japamac Oct 26, 2012 10:47 PM in response to mandarcy
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    Oct 26, 2012 10:47 PM in response to mandarcy

    To expand on what BDAqua is saying, you'll do best to find a SATA Rev. 2 SSD if you wish to use the native controller of the G5. The native controller will auto-negotiate data rates with SATA Rev. 2 SSD drives but will NOT with most commonly reported SATA Rev. 3 SSD drives.

    The drive won't be "seen".....

     

    IF you wish to use the most current SATA rev. 3 SSD drives, you will also want to install a PCI SATA controller to connect the SSD to.

    In doing so, you will lose some of the boot time benefit due to delays on teh PCI bus, though once running, will have full data throughput performance.

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Oct 27, 2012 12:34 AM in response to japamac
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    Oct 27, 2012 12:34 AM in response to japamac

    As always, thanks for your expert input jmac!

  • by LordZedd,

    LordZedd LordZedd Oct 27, 2012 1:22 PM in response to japamac
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    Oct 27, 2012 1:22 PM in response to japamac

    That is false information.

    I have 3 SATA-III SSDs in G5 machines, in a G4 with a SATA-I card and a MacBook 2.16 with SATA-I.

    The only issue I ever had was a POS Patriot drive that mounted to install the OS  and would not mount again except in a USB case (which PowerPC machines can't boot from).

  • by japamac,

    japamac japamac Oct 27, 2012 7:30 PM in response to LordZedd
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    Oct 27, 2012 7:30 PM in response to LordZedd

    I have 3 SATA-III SSDs in G5 machines,

    What Make, model of SSD and how are they connected?

     

    And, how is "false information" decided? By you? Who are you?

     

    Did I say ALL SATA Rev. 3 drives?

    No, I didn't.

     

    IF you had more experience and time on this forum, you would know that there have been many posts regarding this issue, and that several commonly sold SATA Rev. 3 SSDs have been reported to NOT work with the G5 native controller.

     

    Rather than spend so much effort trying to find fault with information, how about researching your claims and then provide substantiated information on top of your experience?

     

    THAT would be helpful.

     

    in a USB case (which PowerPC machines can't boot from)

    That is false information.

    There are many PPC machines that can boot from external USB drives, USB 1.1 or USB 2.0.

    Apple New World ROM PPC machines are those that do support USB boot.

    G4's are also PPC machines and all that I have and have ever used can or could boot from USB drives.

     

    There are also some that can't, notibly the G5.

  • by LordZedd,

    LordZedd LordZedd Oct 28, 2012 3:57 AM in response to japamac
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    Oct 28, 2012 3:57 AM in response to japamac

    False information is determined by the fact your information is false.

    Did I say ALL SATA Rev. 3 drives?

    You said most, which is false.

     

    IF you had more experience and time on this forum

    I'm sorry about having a life, I don't sit in front of a computer screen all day as you do.

     

    you would know that there have been many posts regarding this issue

    There have been many posts about G5's LCS leaking, does this mean its a common problem or that several individuals out of the tens of thousands sold have wandered onto the Internet to report their problem?

    I have owned three with zero issues.

     

    Rather than spend so much effort trying to find fault with information, how about researching your claims and then provide substantiated information on top of your experience?

    You should heed your own words.

    There are many PPC machines that can boot from external USB drives, USB 1.1 or USB 2.0.

    Correct, they require the user to manually change the boot order in openfirmware. That is not native booting, a drive cannot be used as a normal boot disk in that manner.

     

    There are also some that can't, notibly the G5.

    The G5s are specifically ones that CAN boot from USB using the method mentioned above.

  • by wayne146,

    wayne146 wayne146 Oct 29, 2012 2:37 AM in response to mandarcy
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    Oct 29, 2012 2:37 AM in response to mandarcy

    Can't we all just get along ??  .....  to quote Rodney King.

     

    I could be wrong, but I seem to sense some ruffeled feathers.

     

    Ohmmmmmmmmmm, ....  Watttttttttttttttttttttt, ....  Volttttttttttttttttttt, ....  Ampssssssssssss ....  repeat.

  • by mandarcy,

    mandarcy mandarcy Oct 29, 2012 3:16 AM in response to wayne146
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    Oct 29, 2012 3:16 AM in response to wayne146

    Thanks for the advice guys :-)

     

    I'm just happy knowing that SSDs can be used at all, anything to help improve performance is greatly appreciated as I can't afford a new Mac. I think I will try to find the SATA II ones though, just to avoid any incompatabilites!

     

    Kind Regards

    Dave

  • by LordZedd,

    LordZedd LordZedd Oct 29, 2012 5:29 AM in response to mandarcy
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    Oct 29, 2012 5:29 AM in response to mandarcy

    Your G5 has SATA-I.

  • by mandarcy,

    mandarcy mandarcy Oct 29, 2012 10:28 AM in response to LordZedd
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    Oct 29, 2012 10:28 AM in response to LordZedd

    Yes I know my G5 has SATA 1 but I thought you couldn't get SATA-I SSDs? Maybe I've misunderstood it.
    I thought everyone was saying that you can only get SATA-II and SATA-III SSDs and that of the two I should opt for SATA-II with Sandforce (as BDAqua suggested)?

     

    By the way, what is a Sandforce Chipset?

     

    Thanks

     

    Kind Regards

    Dave

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Oct 29, 2012 1:30 PM in response to mandarcy
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    Oct 29, 2012 1:30 PM in response to mandarcy

    Dave, Sandforce chipset is sort of the brains of the SSD...

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SandForce

     

    Many SATA-II devices can step down to SATA-1 speeds, Most SATA-III devices can step down to SATA-II speeds, & some to SATA-I speeds also.

  • by mandarcy,

    mandarcy mandarcy Oct 29, 2012 3:02 PM in response to BDAqua
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    Oct 29, 2012 3:02 PM in response to BDAqua

    Thanks for that BDAqua

     

    Kind Regards

    Dave

  • by japamac,

    japamac japamac Oct 29, 2012 3:23 PM in response to mandarcy
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    Oct 29, 2012 3:23 PM in response to mandarcy

    I thought everyone was saying that you can only get SATA-II and SATA-III SSDs and that of the two I should opt for SATA-II with Sandforce

    That is absolutely correct.

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