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Hard drive or logic board problem?

My iMac (mid 2010 27" 2.93 GHz, 12 GB RAM) is on the hard drive recall list; I was going to wait until the floods abated a little, but a couple of very strange things happened yesterday:


1. Woke iMac; cursor/mouse (USB wired) would not respond. Frozen. Had to plug it into another USB port - then it worked.


2. Wanting to burn a test movie to a DVD to check for quality issues, I went into Sys Preferences and set to never sleep, etc (which is what I always do). Burned DVD.


3. Wanting to open Sys Prefs again to change back my settings - well...... bounced in dock, and the name showed up in the menu bar, but it would not open. No window at all. Tried to do a restart - no go. Every time I hit Restart, the Sys Prefs name would show up in the menu bar and there was no response. Trashed the ,plist. No difference. At this point, cannot restart or shutdown via menu or any other way. Even doing a hard shutdown needed three tries.


4. Tried to power up - no go.


5. Plugged in one of my bootable clones. Tried every key command possible - no response. Couldn't Safe boot either.


6. Finally unplugged the power cord for 15 seconds...... after that, it booted up and showed all my external partitions.


7. At this point, the hard drive was extremely noisy, grumbling, grinding..... so I immediately updated my bootable clone. Tested it and it works. Will do a second one later once I pick up a longer FW cable this afternoon.


So, should I call Apple right now - or am I safe waiting a while? The hard drive noise has abated somewhat this morning and so far no problems....

iMac (27-inch Mid 2010), (OS X ML, 10.7.4, 10.6.8), 2.93 GHz

Posted on Oct 26, 2012 10:22 AM

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Oct 26, 2012 11:34 AM in response to babowa

Jumping in and hopefully not stirring up things too much. Immediately, contact Apple's Express Lane and setup an onsite repair visit. Don't wait. Mine went south in April. First the boot volume failed, but others worked. Tried to restore the boot volume from a clone, still didn't work. Finally, without any of your symptoms, it flat died. With two ext FWHDs and multiple clones, they continued working. So, run the machine from an ext HD and minimize read and writes to the int HD. Stop sleeping the machine or its HDs.


As for AHT, upgrading to Lion or ML mucks up using it from the installed OS. See my post at https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4427984?answerId=20014699022#20014699022 for steps on restoring it.

Oct 26, 2012 3:13 PM in response to baltwo

not yet, been on the phone waiting for a senior advisor....... first, the recall isn't for mine, LOL, it's for the last one I sold! Anyway, we are troubleshooting - learned that neither the regular "D" nor the "Option + D" work. I think he is now setting up an on site repair - am on hold now for a newly specially created division that takes care care of the on site stuff (because of the recall). Will update later. total so far 1 1/2 hrs.

Oct 26, 2012 3:52 PM in response to baltwo

Okay, finally off the phone - on site hard drive replacement is set up.


Well, aside from the D key, we also tried the DVD - it would not work. On the internet AHT (Option and D), I got the "this computer does not support AHT". Just D did not work - even with a newly resurrected USB keyboard. Neither did the install disk #2 which plainly states that it has AHT on it. Could not boot with C key or Option key and it did not show up in Startup Disk Prefs. She was stumped on that one - since I now have ML on it, I guess it will no longer boot with an SL disk. I might have had success booting into my external SL partition and then trying it, but she did not want that. I may try it IF I have time this weekend just for the heck of it.


All in all , they weren't sure if it was "only" the hard drive or if there is logic board issue, but the decision was to start with the hard drive and see if that takes care of it. The tech is supposed to check it after the drive is replaced as well.


During one of the many hold periods, I was actually able to find my sales receipt for the iMac that is part of the HD recall and also found their email address - shot off an email with a copy of the Apple email, so they can get it replaced; although, that hard drive always was the most quiet drive I've ever had - comparing it with this thing which sounded like it was having digestive problems from day one.


Two current clones are done and I'll work on moving my current movie project to an external lock stock and barrel. After that, I'll wait for the phone call and then wipe the drive on the day of the appointment.

Oct 26, 2012 4:23 PM in response to babowa

babowa wrote:

Okay, finally off the phone - on site hard drive replacement is set up.

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Well, aside from the D key, we also tried the DVD - it would not work. On the internet AHT (Option and D), I got the "this computer does not support AHT". Just D did not work - even with a newly resurrected USB keyboard. Neither did the install disk #2 which plainly states that it has AHT on it. Could not boot with C key or Option key and it did not show up in Startup Disk Prefs. She was stumped on that one - since I now have ML on it, I guess it will no longer boot with an SL disk. I might have had success booting into my external SL partition and then trying it, but she did not want that. I may try it IF I have time this weekend just for the heck of it.

It should still boot with the SL disc. Mine does. You might want to Zap the PRAM and Reset the SMC, then booting with the disc again. In any case, you should still be able to copy the .diagnostics folder to the ML boot volume (do that on one of your clones).

All in all , they weren't sure if it was "only" the hard drive or if there is logic board issue, but the decision was to start with the hard drive and see if that takes care of it. The tech is supposed to check it after the drive is replaced as well.

The noises usually indicate an HD issue, not the logic board.

During one of the many hold periods, I was actually able to find my sales receipt for the iMac that is part of the HD recall and also found their [new owner's] email address - shot off an email with a copy of the Apple email, so they can get it replaced; although, that hard drive always was the most quiet drive I've ever had—comparing it with this thing which sounded like it was having digestive problems from day one.

Nice. They should appreciate that. Also, they should have reregistered it under their name. BTW, I never hear the old one or this new one.

Two current clones are done and I'll work on moving my current movie project to an external lock stock and barrel. After that, I'll wait for the phone call and then wipe the drive on the day of the appointment.

I'd start now and just run it from one of your clones and then update the other one. Zeroing out the HD could take awhile. No sense rushing.


Pay attention when they open it up. There are a least four sets of connectors that need removal until they can get complete access to the innards. Also, ensure that the vents get vacuumed and the display and glass cover are completely wiped clean.


Enjoy the venture. 😎

Oct 26, 2012 5:14 PM in response to baltwo

Thanks so much! FWIW, the new owners did not reregister it - it was/is still in my name (and the Applecare just ended in August, so this is a good thing for them). Since everything goes by the serial number, Apple said it made no difference who would call them.


I'll go through the thing to get to the .diagnostics folder - scanned it quickly at some point today, but could not follow it completely (too many fat finger corrections, LOL), so I'll read it again slowly. Will do the PRAM/SMC as well. So much for my other weekend plans......

Oct 26, 2012 7:58 PM in response to baltwo

Add to my last post and you should get a kick out of this........


A few minutes ago, I thought I'd give it one more try with AHT. After inserting disk #2, I decided to look at the AHT read me and a light bulb went on........ the process is:


insert disc

restart with D key

run AHT


Instead, the tech had me do the following (and, at that point, I was merely following instructions and really not giving any thought about anything being the right or wrong way):


Restart with Command + D key - didn't work (machine does not support it)

Restart with Option + D key (for good measure) - didn't work

Restart with D key - didn't work

insert disc #2 and restart with C key - didn't work (I don't think you can boot from disc #2 - doesn't it require to have booted/installed from disc #1?)

At no point did she have me insert the CD and restart with D key - it was either D key without a disc or C key with disc. Of course none of that worked, LOL

This was second tier.......


So, extended AHT just started running, will run it three times.

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