Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 6:52 AM (in response to Rylie)
Have been making DVD's w/ DVDSP for years... always looking great on computer and various players.
Since you have DVD authoring experience, I assume it's not as likely that it's an encoding problem. But I would consider whether the kind of content – background, movement, lighting was unusually challenging compared to past DVDs you've made. Or whether your source file's video format is different than you usually work with. And if your source is HD, you may be able to improve your results by adjusting the settings in frame controls.
Also; as a quick test, try taking a short representative section of of your movie and burning a DVD through Compressor – bypassing DVD Studio Pro.
Is the player one that you've successfully used before? It may be poor scaling from the player. If you can change those settings, test whether that makes a difference. If it doesn't and you can swap out the player for something you have previously good results with, try substituting that.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 11:07 AM (in response to Rylie)
make sure the dvd player is connected either via component or hdmi connections. This the usual culprit (besides the fact that you're upscaling when you show a Standard Def DVD on most flatscreens).
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 11:32 AM (in response to Russ H)
Thanks so much for your response. I'm shooting 1920x1080 30p on a Canon DSLR. I've been shooting this format and encoding the same way for a long time. This particular project is fairly basic. It's a three camera workout DVD, with outdoor natural light plus HMI and very smooth jib moves.
This is just the first time I've looked at the DVD on this new flatscreen. Previously I had only seen it on my computer, a stand-alone, portable DVD player, or an older television connected to a DVD player. Obviously, the quality was never amazing, as it was downsized to SD, but there was no pixelation or stair-stepping.
So I'm shocked to see how this looks on this TV. I've gone through all the TV settings to see if it's something I can adjust on that end. The DVD player that's connected to it is older, so I thought I could maybe adjust some settings there, but haven't figured it out. When I play commercially made DVD's they look fine, so I figured the devices can't be the problem.
Here's the recipe I've been using, that's worked for me. But maybe it needs some tweaking. I am so appreciative of your help and would welcome any advice.
Description: Fits up to 90 minutes of video with Dolby Digital audio at 192 Kbps or 60 minutes with AIFF audio on a DVD-5
File Extension: m2v
Estimated size: 1.23 GB
Type: MPEG-2 video elementary stream
Width and Height: Automatic
Selected: 720 x 480
Pixel aspect ratio: NTSC CCIR 601/DV (16:9)
Frame rate: (100% of source)
Frame Controls Automatically selected:
Retiming: (Fast) Nearest Frame
Resize Filter: Linear Filter
Deinterlace Filter: Fast (Line Averaging)
Adaptive Details: On
Detail Level: 0
Field Output: Same as Source
Start timecode from source
Aspect ratio: Automatic
Field dominance: Automatic:
Selected Top first
Average bit rate: 5.5 (Mbps)
2 Pass VBR enabled
Maximum bit rate: 7.2 (Mbps)
Better motion estimation
Closed GOP Size: 12, Structure: IBBP
DVD Studio Pro meta-data enabled
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 11:45 AM (in response to Rylie)
There are some HD consumer screens that poorly display SD material. They are optimized for HD and the SD display is a poor step-child. I have a Panasonic that also poorly displays SD material. Stair-stepped edges, etc.
One thing you might try is to connect to the monitor via analog RGB connectors instead of HDMI. My Panasonic shows a slight improvement when using the analog input.
If this is for a major presentation, you may want to consider a different method of display.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 11:56 AM (in response to Rylie)
1) What Michael said about the Resize filter is important.
2) I think your bit rate could be bumped up to perhaps 7.0 Mbps average.
3) Again, try having Compressor create the disk directly, using the default settings (also setting the Resize Filter to best).
BTW, are you able to test one of your previous DVD's on this Samsung? (And just to say, on my Sony LED, DVDs made from HD video look good.)
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 12:05 PM (in response to Russ H)
For some reason, way back when, I did a Larry Jordan webinar and he recommended using "better." Don't remember exactly why...maybe he said it was more stable. But nonetheless that's why I've been doing it that way. I will go ahead and make that change to "best."
I will also "up" the average bit rate to 7.0Mbps.
I have never made a DVD directly from compressor...will look into how to do that and give it a try.
The DVD player is connected by RCA...doesn't have HDMI connection options.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 12:07 PM (in response to Rylie)
Does it have component (3 rca cables) or svideo connections? If so, either will give you better image. Component is preferable. DVD players are so cheap, that it may make sense to get a dvd player with hdmi or at least component.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 12:09 PM (in response to Russ H)
Russ, why would you have compressor make the dvd? Can't think there'd be any advantages over dvdsp. I almost always do a build in dvdsp and use toast to burn the disk. Gives me a little more control.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 2:06 PM (in response to Michael Grenadier)
Agreed. I was suggesting it as a way to get a better sense of whether it was an encode-related issue or A/V equipment-related. The Compressor>Create DVD template method certainly isn't better than DVDSP; rather, it's Spartan-like method that I've found gives pretty decent results on a predictable basis and it's default bit-rate setting is quite high for HD material.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 2:10 PM (in response to Rylie)
Larry Jordan was warning that if you crank the several Frame Controls all the way up, you could be in for a marathon encoding session. (Apple warns of this in the manual.) But limited to the Resize, I've not found it over the top time-wise.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 2:34 PM (in response to Rylie)
Made the DVD through Compressor. No change. Tried "better" for resize and upped the bit rate. No change. Tried some other DVD's that I have made this way and they look ok on this TV...not great, but not these semi blurred, stair-steppy images.
I played this DVD on my old set-up and it looks fine. Washed out colors, but clear image. So I can't figure out why this particular one, which of course is deadline material, looks so bad. I will try to reconnect tv through component, but I guess I need to go back to my original sequence and settings to see if something's amiss there.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2012 5:36 PM (in response to Rylie)
If the other DVD's look decent, I'd tend to downplay the idea that equipment and/or connectionss are the problem.
Can you isolate what's different between the problem DVD and the earlier ones? (A different frame rate, or resolution or codec?)
(Meaning, comparing the the videos used as source files.)
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