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charlesbt Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hi

 

I have a client who wants to use his new macbook pro to make short(ten minutes or so) dvds for his guests riding his elephants.

The problem here is the time factor. His guest are often in a hurry and do not want to sit around.

 

After he has shot footage and done a quick edit(in iMovie), it takes him about 15 minutes to finalize the project and another ten minutes to burn the dvd(using iDVD).

We have tried 'sharing' the project stright into iDVD which speeds up the project by about ten minutes but we lose some of the resolution quality.

 

The options that I have considered are:

 

  • Another DVD burner such as Toast but we would still have to export the movie out of iMovie?
  • A faster external superdrive?
  • Another video editing program?

 

Your input on this would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance


MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2)
  • 1. Re: Dvd burning
    Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7 (29,885 points)

    charlesbt wrote:

    …  The options that I have considered are: …

    none of these will speed up the process.

     

    the time-consuming process is encoding/converting.

     

    your recordings (what codec?) get converted on input.

    … get converted on export.

    … get converted on authoring to a dvd.

    the burning process utself is a few minutes.

     

    the only time-saving method comes to my mind is:

    from within iMovie choose

    Export using Quicktime/select in the many options AppleIntermediate as codec

    => internally, your project IS allready in that codec = no conversion = super-fast export.

     

    drag the resulting, huge (10min ~8-10GB) into iDVD, which will do the transforming to disk.

     

    .. side-effect: no lossy, useless, time-consuming in-betweens = better quality

  • 2. Re: Dvd burning
    charlesbt Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    HI Karsten

     

    Thank you for taking the trouble to reply.

    Please bear with me on this as I am new to the video stuff....

     

    Ok, so even I get Roxio Toast it will make no difference?

     

    The recording would be from a Canon Legria HF-306 camera. the clips are then imported to iMovie and then edited...

     

    So you are saying:

     

    export using quick time with selecting apple intermediate as codec     is the best way to speed it up?

     

    I am using an SD card to import the clips into iMovie, is this the best and quickest way to import?

  • 3. Re: Dvd burning
    Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7 (29,885 points)

    yes - Toast isn't faster in my observations.

    yes - imho, he only way to speed-up (aside 'faster' hardware)

    yes - more or less the only way

  • 4. Re: Dvd burning
    charlesbt Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi Karsten

     

    Thanks again for your reply.

     

    As a matter of interest, my client was using an old powerbook G4 and video camera using cassettes.

    This process took quite literally a few minutes to do the whole process.

     

    My understanding of the fact that the 'new' process takes about five times as long is because of the fact that the quality is now so much better.

     

    Would you agree on this? I am just trying to see if I have possibly missed anything here?

     

    Thanks

  • 5. Re: Dvd burning
    Bengt Wärleby Level 6 Level 6 (19,160 points)

    Hi

     

    TO GET IT TO WORK SLIGHTLY FASTER

    • Minimum of 25Gb free space on Start-Up hard disk

    • No other programs running in BackGround e.g. Energy-Saver

    • Don’t let HD spin down or be turned off (in Energy-Save)

    • Move hard disks that are not to be used to Trash - To be disconnected/turned off

    • Goto Spotlight and set the rest of them under Integrity (not to be scanned)

    • Set screen-saver to a folder without any photo - then make an active corner (up right for me) and set

    pointer to this - turns on screen saver - to show that it has nothing to show

    • No File Vault on - Important

    • NO - TimeMachine - during iMovie/iDVD work either ! IMPORTANT

    • Lot's of icons on DeaskTop/Finder also slows down the Mac noticeably

    • Start a new User-Account and log into this and iMovie get's faster too - if a project is in a hurry

    • And let Mac run on Mains - not just on battery

    Yours Bengt W

  • 6. Re: Dvd burning
    charlesbt Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    HI Bengt

     

    Thank you for this

  • 7. Re: Dvd burning
    Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7 (29,885 points)

    charlesbt wrote:

    ....  was using an old powerbook G4 and video camera using cassettes.

    This process took quite literally a few minutes to do the whole process.

    completely different cup of tea ...

     

    miniDV was handled by iMovie vers ≤6 'natively' - no conversions on import, only bottleneck was, due to mechanics, real-time-import (10min cassette = 10min import).

     

    the project-file created within iM v≤6 was instantly (=no 'export', conversion, etc) used by iDVD to be encoded to a disk.

     

    aaand: miniDV was in 'DVD-format' = SDef, no time-consuming scaling processes.

     

    for SDef from miniDV iMovie v≤6 was and is simply best.

    (for AVCHD, iMv≤6 is of no use)

     

    the invention of HDef + usage of SDef-DVD made things complicated …

     

    A friend lately created a DVD from FCPX on an iMac/i7/8GB:

    2h video = 30min ..... THAT is fast ...

  • 8. Re: Dvd burning
    charlesbt Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Karsten

     

    Thanks for your informative and intersting reply. Makes complete sense to me. Now I can share this information with my client.

    I always enjoy understanding things....

     

    With regards to your last sentence:

     

    A friend lately created a DVD from FCPX on an iMac/i7/8GB:

    2h video = 30min ..... THAT is fast ...

     

    My client has the standard macbook pro 13 inch: 4 GB memory and a 2.5 GHz Core i5 processor.

    Its taking me the follwing amount of time to do 15 mins of video

     

     

    Importing 15 minutes of video footage from SD card on AVCHD                                                            6 minutes

    Exporting to Quick Time (Export using Quicktime/select in the many options AppleIntermediate as codec)                                  8 minutes

    Burning with iDVD                                                                                                                             10 minutes    

     

    Therfore, for fifteen minutes of footage it takes 24 minutes.

     

    Does this sound right? 

  • 9. Re: Dvd burning
    charlesbt Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Karsten

     

    Would it be worth suggesting to my client that he uses FCPX-Final Cut Pro?

    I think that you have already answered my question at the beginning of this thread

     

    Thanks again

  • 10. Re: Dvd burning
    Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7 (29,885 points)

    charlesbt wrote:

    …  Would it be worth suggesting to my client that he uses FCPX-Final Cut Pro?…

    I switched to FCPX about a year ago and haven't used iMovie since then.-

     

    But I'm not that much in DVD-making (any more, although I once wrote this tutorials).

     

    FCPX is blazing fast, and in conjunction with Compressor, set to use ALL cores of a Mac (here. only two, boooo) by establishing a 'virtual render net', conversions fly.-

     

    ... but iDVD wouldn't partake of these tools.

    a) you can NOT use Compressor for mpeg2-encoding for iDVD - iDVD is/was made for .dv files, and swallows a very few .mov formats.

    b) FCPX itself does create videoDVDs - but very ... 'primal' - no fancy, animated menus, just a black and a white theme, no 'modding' optional aside placing a picture into the background.

     

    ... plus, FCPx is a highly complex editor - compared to iMovie. Steem learning curve. The actual update to .06 changed a few things, I just learned! (booo again!)

     

    no, keep your actual workflow, 'optimize' speed by using the appleintermediatecodec as ... intermediate codec, follow Bengt's additional advice about free diskspace, and if optional, pimp your Mac with 8 - 16GBs Ram - done.

     

    maybe your elephants can offer a dance meanwhile ...

     

    // for some unknown, silly reasons, I associate elephants as cuddly! as a school-kid, I was allowed to visit in the Hamburg zoo elephants in touch-distance. they had a baby-elephant, and that lil Jumbo liked to play nudging! we tried hard to push him, and he pushed us almost in orbit! grrrreat fun for all of us, lil' Jumbo raised his trunk and it looked like he was laughing at us! .... after a while, Ma Jumbo came, stopping the fun (mothers!), and the trainer told us, to leave the area ... I'm pretty sure, today there is in some zoo a now 45y older elephant waiting for me, pushing him around ... NO, I will never dare! but I like them .... //

  • 11. Re: Dvd burning
    charlesbt Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Karsten

     

    Thank you all the way from South Africa. Much appreciated as I really don't have much experience in this field at all and I wanted to give my client the most informed feedback.

     

    I love the bit about the elephants dancing while the customers wait. I am going to suggest that to my clients

     

    I will do as you and Bengt suggest and beef up the clients' macbook pro memory to at least 8 GB.

    Elephants are amazing animals and I can imagine the young ones to be cute and cuddly.

     

    Once again, thanks for your time and trouble......

     

     

  • 12. Re: Dvd burning
    AppleMan1958 Level 7 Level 7 (27,340 points)

    Here is a way to get the iMovie part to go slightly faster.

     

    When you FINALIZE, you create a copy in all available sizes. If you have an HD camera, you would be creating 1080P sizes and 720P sizes, which you dont need. So instead of Finalize, use SHARE/MOVIE and choose LARGE size only. You can use this Large (960x540) movie in iDVD, and you will save the time rendering all the other sizes.

     

     

    If you want to save even more time, get your client out of the DVD business. Render a quick HD version. Show it to the elephant riding customer. Then, for a fee, sell them a link where they can download it themselves in full HD.

  • 13. Re: Dvd burning
    Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7 (29,885 points)

    charlesbt wrote:

    …  Elephants are amazing animals and I can imagine the young ones to be cute and cuddly.

    especially, when Henry Mancini adds some music:

     

    http://youtu.be/SdIw-IK3my4

    (sorry, found only an Italian dubbed version .. )

     

     

  • 14. Re: Dvd burning
    charlesbt Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Just watched it. Absolutely adorable

     

     

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