10 Replies Latest reply: Oct 31, 2012 1:21 PM by Jacumba
Jacumba Level 4 Level 4 (2,325 points)

I have a Mac G3 blue and white that a friend gave me several weeks ago that hadn't been started in 5 years. I replaced the pram battery and maxed the ram out to 1Ghz. I then installed Mac 9.0.4 The computer is clean ( fans etc.) and runs very well.

The system specs - 400 Mhz cpu - 1Ghz ram - Rage 128 MB video card - 80 GB hard drive - Rev 1 motherboard chip, I've read Rev 2 with 402 chip was the better model.

My question is I'd like to pick up a retail version of Mac OS X. Could you tell me what version of Mac OS X would be best suited for this G3?

There are various opinions at websites online, but here I believe I'd get the best source of info.

  • 1. Re: Mac G3
    BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (116,475 points)

    Hello,

     

    Tiger Requirements...

    To use Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, your Macintosh needs:

        * A PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor

        * Built-in FireWire

        * At least 256 MB of RAM (I recommend 1GB minimum)

        * DVD drive (DVD-ROM), Combo (CD-RW/DVD-ROM) or SuperDrive (DVD-R) for installation

        * At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools  (I recommend 20GB minimum)

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514

     

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mac+os+x+tiger+retail+10.4

    See Tom's, (Texas Mac Man), great info on where/how to find/get Tiger...

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/15305521#15305521

     

    Or Ali Brown's great info on where/how to find/get Tiger...

     

    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=10381710#10381710

     

    Then you'll likely need XPostFacto to Install it...

     

    http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/

     

    Oh, I think you may need 1 or 2 Firmware updates also...

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1395


  • 2. Re: Mac G3
    Jacumba Level 4 Level 4 (2,325 points)

    Thank-you BDAqua

  • 3. Re: Mac G3
    BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (116,475 points)

    You're welcome, good luck, & let us know how it's going please!

  • 4. Re: Mac G3
    John Galt Level 8 Level 8 (36,380 points)

    Jacumba wrote:

     

    My question is I'd like to pick up a retail version of Mac OS X.

     

    If you intend to install Mac OS X then pay very close attention to the firmware updates BDAqua linked at the end of his post. Last but most definitely not least!

     

    Failing to upgrade a G3's firmware in preparation for OS X will be an omission you'll regret.

  • 5. Re: Mac G3
    Jacumba Level 4 Level 4 (2,325 points)

    I'm a little confu

  • 6. Re: Mac G3
    Jacumba Level 4 Level 4 (2,325 points)

    I'm a little confused on the Firmware update that BDAqua linked. I have to install this software before installing Tiger Mac OS 10.4 - Do I download it from Apple's website and burn it to a CD? Or where would I get it from?

     

    I first thought Firmware is drivers for the G3 hardware, such as video card, etc. As when you install a retail OS to a computer that is not the original restore disk, you'd get the operating system, but then you'd need all your hardware drivers, for that particular computer, which the retail version would not have on it. Or at least that's the way I've had to do it on windows computers.

    Now I'm thinking that the Firmware is software for a chip on the motherboard. That is similar to what the BIOS are on a windows computer motherboard?

     

    I know this may seem like a foolish project with this old G3, but it's just a hobby I have with getting older computers and some newer running, usually windows ones.

  • 7. Re: Mac G3
    John Galt Level 8 Level 8 (36,380 points)

    Jacumba wrote:

     

    I'm a little confused on the Firmware update that BDAqua linked. I have to install this software before installing Tiger Mac OS 10.4 - Do I download it from Apple's website and burn it to a CD? Or where would I get it from?

     

    I see that link is pointing to something that isn't going to help... Apple dropped the ball somewhere over the last decade.

     

    Read this while I search for something more useful: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3036

     

    ... unfortunately the links it contains are also broken

     

    The iMac Firmware Update 4.1.9 is available on the Mac OS X Install CD Disc 1. It also available online and can be downloaded if needed.

     

    The bold text is a problem. I can no longer find it but I'll keep looking.

     

    Phew! That's a relief: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1283

  • 8. Re: Mac G3
    MichelPM Level 6 Level 6 (8,075 points)

    Jacumba,

    If this is the same G3 you posted about in an earlier thread, what happened?

    Were you able to get the computer to boot once you got the keyboard you said you purchased?

    The firmware update is important and must be downloaded and the program run from OS 9 and not from OS X.

    So, somebody will need to help you find this to run if you find you need it.

    The firmware update updates the ROM chip on the G3’s logic board.

    I remember you saying that this had a version of OS X already on it, but couldn't get it to run.

    If it had OS X on it in the past, chances are the firmware updates have already been applied.

    I am confused as to why you are posting yet another thread about the same issues you Re having with the same G3?

  • 9. Re: Mac G3
    MichelPM Level 6 Level 6 (8,075 points)

    It has been awhile since anyone has had to deal with issues related to OS 9, but if I remember, in order to have a dual boot system of OS 9 and OS X, you need to update OS 9 to either OS 9.1 or OS 9.2.

    Here are archived links to the OS 9 updates.

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1387

  • 10. Re: Mac G3
    Jacumba Level 4 Level 4 (2,325 points)

    I did get the G3 running very well. Just haven't got around yet to getting a retail version of Mac OS Tiger 10.4