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  • JShimazaki Level 2 Level 2 (355 points)

    Out of curiosity which Intel SSD do you have?

  • OBDave Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Intel 520 Series, 240 GB SATA 3. Apparently it uses a Sandforce controller.

  • JShimazaki Level 2 Level 2 (355 points)

    Ah ok. I have the OCZ 512GB in my Macbook Pro which uses the Indilinx controller. No issues here. It takes 6 seconds for it to bootup. :-)

    Anyways, back to your problem. I'm reading the FileVault system requirements and it says it must have a Recovery HD partition otherwise it will not encrypt the drive. As you know, Apple certified hard drives come with the recovery partition, but non-Apple certified hard drives don't. hmmmmmm.......

  • OBDave Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Yeah, my bootups have been instantaneous with the SSD. It boots faster than my iPhone and my iPad, it's pretty amazing. All the apps launch on the first bounce. Where I really see the improvement is when running Quickbooks in Windows inside VMWare, it's just fantastic.

     

    I know that Carbon Copy Cloner can create a recovery partition because it describes this process explcitly. Dunno when it happens otherwise. I guess that the Disk Utility creates one when you first partition a new drive...? Or when the OS is installed?

     

    In addition to the SSD that's been giving me so much trouble lately, I also have a 7200 RPM WD Scorpio Black drive that has been totally reliable with FileVault. I get acceptable performance out of this drive - certainly nothing like the SSD, but much much better than the stock 5400 RPM Hitachi drive. I'm going to be doing some travel soon and if I can't get the SSD issue resolved I'll be using the WD HDD.

  • Linc Davis Level 10 Level 10 (147,075 points)

    An SSD should work. I use SSD's myself. But I've seen some reports of strange problems apparently caused by them. See whether there's a firmware update for the device.

  • JShimazaki Level 2 Level 2 (355 points)

    Whether or not a SSD will work especially for a Mac depends on what model you have since each new model they update the logic board, SATA controller, and etc.

    @Linc, OBDave already mentioned he chcecked and verified that his SSD's firmware is current. so we already eliminated that possibility.

    @OBDave, the question is, is it really worth the trouble to have FileVault on for encryption in case your Macbook is stolen? If a thief can't access your data, he can still format your drive and he/she has a brand new Macbook. If your data is that sensitive then it would make more sense to store them on an external drive and encrypt that drive.  Plus FileVault will decrease the performance on your SSD so to me that's not worth it.

    I don't keep any valuable data on my Macbook except for my music. I password protect my computer which is good enough. Plus I use Google drive and Dropbox to store my data. For everything else I store on my external drive.

  • OBDave Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    @OBDave, the question is, is it really worth the trouble to have FileVault on for encryption in case your Macbook is stolen? If a thief can't access your data, he can still format your drive and he/she has a brand new Macbook. If your data is that sensitive then it would make more sense to store them on an external drive and encrypt that drive.  Plus FileVault will decrease the performance on your SSD so to me that's not worth it.

     

    If the laptop is stolen, one of two things will happen.

     

    1) The thief reformats the drive, and the data gets erased. So it doesn't matter whether the drive was encrypted or not.

     

    2) The thief opens up the machine and removes the drive, and tries to read the contents using another machine. Granted, the odds of this are slim, but if there's a free and easy way to prevent this from happening, why not do it? There is no noticeable decrease in SSD performance, I've already established that. The issue is the Kernel Panics.

     

    I don't keep any valuable data on my Macbook except for my music. I password protect my computer which is good enough. Plus I use Google drive and Dropbox to store my data. For everything else I store on my external drive.

     

    This is impractical for me. We're getting back into "why do you want to do something" territory, and I've already explained why I want to use VileFault.

     

    I have already switched back to the WD 7200 rpm HDD and it works fine, it just doesn't have the blistering performance of the SSD.

  • JShimazaki Level 2 Level 2 (355 points)

    OBDave, I understand what you are trying to do and it's puzzeling that it would kernal panic once you try to encrypt the drive after all the troubleshooting you tried. Since you opted to go back to the regular hard drive but If you want to get something near the performance of a SSD you can try hybrid drives that Seagate has. I have a 750GB Monumentus hybrid drive in my other computer and it works very well. Bootup time is almost as good as a SSD about 10 seconds. Sorry it didn't work out as you hoped. Good luck!!!

  • Humajum Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    OBDave,

     

    I am in the same situation as you.  I have an early 2009 Macbook Pro using an Intel SSD.  However this SSD is a 160GB Intel SSD (pre X-25M) using Intel flash and Intel controller.  I've been using FileVault since Snow Leopard and have had no issues up until recently after upgrading to Mountain Lion. Seems like there could be some bug with FileVault2.

     

    Thought you would like to know you're not alone in this problem

  • OBDave Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Humajum,

     

    Thanks for your reply, this is useful to know. The one other data point that I can add is that the underlying mechanisms behind Filevault and Filevault 2 are quite different. I've forgotten the details but apparently with Filevault 2, the login - which occurs earlier in the boot sequence - happens using some part of the recovery partition, and then if you enter the correct password it unlocks the regular partition. It seems there's some bad mojo with the interaction between Filevault 2, the recovery partition, and this NVidia SATA controller.

     

    I've given up on this MBP. I have been running with the HDD. I've got a bunch of travel coming up, and then the holidays after that, so early next year I'm probably going to get a maxed-out 13" Air and probably sell the MBP. Either that, or perhaps a new MBP and put the SSD in that. I was temoted by the retina MBP but got spooked by the non-replaceable battery.

  • Nathandim Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The exact thing happens to me and I have a MBP 13'' 2010 without SSD. Tried 5 times so far, 2 with DVD's and 3 with internet recovery. Everything goes smooth until I enable FileVault. Then I get kernel panics every now and then.

     

    Hardware test reports no issues.

  • OBDave Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Oh well, that's interesting. Let me ask this: do you have an aftermarket drive, and if so, can you go into About This Mac and tell me the drive model number? Specifically, I am wondering if you have a SATA3 drive, and what we're all seeing is caused by a SATA speed negotiation failure.

  • JoMek Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi original poster,

     

    I have exactly the problem you're describing; i.e. I'm using FileVault2 in Mountain Lion, and I keep getting kernel panics at login about 20% of the time. Once the Mac makes it past the point where the 'spinning circle' appears, everything is fine, and there never is a kernel panic during uptime.

     

    However, I do NOT have an SSD installed; neither TRIM (obviously); so it seems to me that your problems should NOT be in any way related to your SSD or TRIM.

     

    I rather guess they're related to the combo of Mountain Lion + FileVault2 (i.e. Whole Disk Encryption).

     

    For me, the whole thing started after I upgraded to Mountain Lion, full stop.

     

    For the time being, I simply accept the situation, as it is only a minor hassle. My impression is that the file system does NOT get corrupted by these kernel panics, and no data is lost. What is your opinion on that?

     

    I fully agree with you that encryption is absolutely essential; and I guess people not using it are fine with not only having their machines stolen, but their whole identities, their whole lives as well .

  • OBDave Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Hi JoMek,

     

    Are you using an afterermarket hard drive, or the original drive that came in your MBP?

  • Nathandim Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The model is TOSHIBA MK2555GSXF and apparently it supports SATA-2.