5 Replies Latest reply: Nov 6, 2012 7:51 AM by Kappy
walterholt Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

I am about to upgrage my PowerPC Mac desktop G5 from 10.4.11 to 10.5.


I have read several times that I must "back up my data twice, dismount and disconnect all but the Apple Keyboard and mouse and If there is an external display, that too.  And just before you install repair permissions." 


I assume this means  copy everything on my main internal HD onto my external HD, shut down my computer and unplug everything such as my scanner, printer, sound system, WiFi router, and my external HD.  Reboot with just my mouse and keyboard attached.


However I have three questions.

1.   Is my one and only 21.5" Dell monitor an external display? Don't see how I could install anything without a monitor.

2.   My mouse is an Apple usb mouse, but my keyboard is a Macally usb keyboard. Will the non-Apple brand keyboard be a problem?

3.   What does this mean - "And just before you install repair permissions." ??  Do I need to repair my HD permissions at some point in the upgrade?  I have never had to do any permissions repairs in the past for any OS upgrades.


Thanks for any clearer explainations.



PowerPC Mac Desktop G5 running OS 10.4.11

1.8 Ghz

5.5 Gb of ram

PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11)
  • Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (260,295 points)

    Someone gave you goofy instructions. Just do the following:


    Repair the Hard Drive and Permissions


    Boot from your Tiger Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Utilities menu. After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list.  In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive.  If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer.


    If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior and/or Tech Tool Pro to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.

    Now quit the installer to restart the computer. After you restart eject the Tiger disc from the optical drive. Insert the Leopard DVD then do the following:


    Booting From An OS X Installer Disc


      1. Insert OS X Installer Disc into the optical drive.

      2. Restart the computer.

      3. Immediately after the chime press and hold down the "C" key.

      4. Release the key when the spinning gear below the dark gray Apple logo


      5. Wait for installer to finish loading.


    When the installer has loaded follow the onscreen instructions until you have to select a destination drive. Click once on the drive then click on the Option button. Choose Upgrade from the list of options and click on the OK button. Now click on the Install button.


    I would recommend you backup your Tiger system before installing Leopard just in case there is a problem. You will need an external drive for the backup that can be erased:


    Clone using Restore Option of Disk Utility


      1. Open Disk Utility in the Utilities folder.

      2. Select the destination volume from the left side list.

      3. Click on the Restore tab in the DU main window.

      4. Select the destination volume from the left side list and drag it to the Destination

          entry field.

      5. Select the source volume from the left side list and drag it to the Source entry field.

      6. Check the box to Erase the Destination drive before cloning.

      7. Double-check you got it right, then click on the Restore button.


    Destination means the external backup drive. Source means the internal startup drive.

  • Niel Level 10 Level 10 (284,955 points)

    1. Yes, but as it's the computer's only display, leave it connected; iMacs, eMacs, and portables have built-in monitors.

    2. No. All keyboards will work at a basic level, but any driver software needed for full functionality may need to be updated as well.

    3. Ignore that recommendation.



  • walterholt Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    Thanks Kappy for the very fast reply.


    My HD did indeed need repair even thought the S.M.A.R.T. status said it was verified.


    As far as backing up my main internal HD to my external HD.

    My external HD is a 1000 GB LaCie d2 quadra 800 firewire.  I have about 200Gbs  of jpeg photos saved on it. (8 years worth of images) This is why I bought it.


    I am not very knowledgeable about computers, but from what I think I have read in your suggestion to Clone using the Restore Option of Disk Utility, is that I would loose all my photos saved on my external LaCie HD.

    Is there another way to back up my HD like  maybe copying one folder at a time. 

    My HD has 5 main folders on it. -- Applications, Developer, Library, Main Folder, System and Users.

    Could I just drag these 5 folders one at a time to my LaCie HD.  Would this work without erasing anything on the LaCie and the data would be there if I needed it later.


    My main internal HD has only 121GBs of stuff on it.  Should I buy another  cheaper external HD just big enough to hold 121 GBs?

  • Niel Level 10 Level 10 (284,955 points)

    No, you can't drag those folders. If you don't want to erase the existing data on that drive, clone to a disk image on it, or use the Disk Utility on the Mac OS X 10.5 DVD to partition the drive so there's a blank one available to hold the clone, or buy another external HD.



  • Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (260,295 points)

    As Niel has said, either partition the external hard drive with enough space to clone your internal drive or get qnother external hard drive.