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jonrobertspiano Level 1 Level 1

I am using Logic Pro 9 with two MXL 990 microphones in my piano and a Rode NT1A for vocals. I have tried recording with added reverb and keeping getting not a natural reverb sound, but a rather "pixilated" one that does not sound natural. Does anyone have any ideas on how to solve this issue? I have tried using Silververb and Space Designer, and both result in the same problems. Thank you!


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Reply by kcstudio on Nov 11, 2012 3:15 AM Helpful

I'll try the AUMatrixReverb straight away and if I find gold I'll be back to report about it.

Thank's for the tip!

Reply by Pancenter on Nov 11, 2012 11:04 AM Helpful

Agree with everyone else, although I think you should be able to experiment with Space Designer and find something satisfactory. Space Designer uses an "impulse response" to define the reverb space.

 

I have Impulse Responses from the great concert halls around the world... also have an impulse response I sampled of the men's bathroom in the University's Music bldg. Makes a very nice small room verb for electric guitar.

 

This will give you an idea of what impulse responses are available and the care with which some of them are made.

 

http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/projects/poririrs/

 

http://www.memi.de/echochamber/responses/index.html

 

 

I used many of these on a PC using the free concolution reverb SIR as well as Space Designer on the Mac.

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  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6

    You should let us know "how" you're using the reverbs, as an insert or on a bus.

  • jonrobertspiano Level 1 Level 1

    Right now I am adding the reverb as a plug-in on one track, which I assume is an "insert" II am still relatively new to logic pro, so my apologies for being vague). I have recorded and added reverb, and I have tried adding reverb while recording (I have to record a vocalist soon, and I am hoping to record with reverb added as she is recording with headphones on), both with the same problem resulting. Thank you so much for your help!

  • kcstudio Level 4 Level 4

    This is asking for the impossible! It does not sound natural because maybe it isn't and in judging so whats your reference anyway. If you are in dire need of some natural sounding room you can go and record it yourself. But even then, the chances that it sounds like you imagined it, are very slim.

    There are very decent sounding reverberation plugins, based on artificial reverb generators or convolution-style, the last one is said to sound more 'natural' then the first one. Be it as it maybe, it really is like cooking food. You got all the ingredients for this delicious taste at hand and believe it or not to reach a satisfying result this is not enough, because if you do not mix the ingredients in the right proportion you will end up with a different dish you thought you'll get. This is exactly the same when one would mix audio, I dare say.

    So treat yourself to some good ingredients and the rest is up to you, namely: taste and experience!

    And looking at some of my past music productions I always find the same plugins for the 'ambient' task:

    Altiverb by Audio Ease when I have acoustic ensembles (classical music mostly), the Sony Oxford Reverb in studio productions, Bricasti when I have to deal with drums and MMultiBandReverb from MeldaProduction for all-round stuff. Thats the base I start from, after that I can end up with dozen Reverb plugins which basically all are doing the same thing but just in a tiny different way.

  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6

    Yes, that is an insert.

     

    Also, to clear something up, Logic is only adding the reverb on playback, even though you mentioned "I am hoping to record with reverb added" the track is always recorded dry, what you mean to say is "monitoring with reverb". There is a way to record the reverb with the vocal but why, then you couldn't change it later.

     

    Do you have a stereo piano track recorded to experiment with?

    Nothing will be permanent so pull up something.

     

    For testing use a Platinum Reverb for testing.  Select the "Church"  preset, your two key adjustments will be Dry & Wet.

     

    Set Dry to 100%  set Wet to 0%  with the piano track playing increase Wet from 0 to 10%, is the reverb audible, it it pixilated?  Next bring it up to 18%, how about now?

     

    One other thing to look at is your Preferences/Audio settings.  What is the  I/O Buffer size?

  • Eriksimon Level 6 Level 6

    Try setting a larger I/O buffer: Logic Pro>Preferences>Audio>Devices>Coreaudio

    In that same window set your Proces Buffer Range to Large.

  • jonrobertspiano Level 1 Level 1

    I think this helped, thought I don't know if I should trust my ears or not. When I speak into my microphone, platinumverb with about 18% wet sounds ok, but it still sounds a little pixilated when I add the same effect to my stereo piano track. Is there a way to upload an audio file to the discussion board? It may make more sense to hear a sample of the problem I am having. Otherwise, I am happy to send an email. Thanks so much for your help with this, it is extremely appreciated!

  • jonrobertspiano Level 1 Level 1

    This link should direct you to a sample of the issue that is occurring. This is with platinumverb used as an insert, dry set to 100%, wet at 18% on the church preset, Process Buffer Range set to "Large."

     

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/id3rp4441czymg9/57jjnLvi8j

  • Eriksimon Level 6 Level 6

    OK, I don't know what you hear as "pixilated", but the 'grainyness' I was expecting isn't there, That piano sample and its reverb sound perfectly OK to me.

  • Sampleconstruct Level 5 Level 5

    Let's be honest - Logic's onboard algorhitmic reverbs sound awful, Space Designer sounds like the IR you feed into it and is a great Plug-In.

    Try ValhallaRoom which is a very affordable, brilliant sounding Reverb Plug. Then try Aether and B2 by 2C Audio, you'll be amazed what's possible today using "artificial" reverbs.

  • kcstudio Level 4 Level 4

    Which I could add something meaningful to Ericsimon's remark. But it just sounds that way, that's it.

     

    Good luck!

  • kcstudio Level 4 Level 4

    I meant 'wish' of course......

  • Eriksimon Level 6 Level 6

    I concur almost wholeheartedly with SC there, though there is at least one algorithmic reverb that does not sound awful: the AUMatrixReverb, which is in the "Apple" plugins subfolder. But anything in the "Reverb" folder (except Space Designer) is very, euh, last century digital reverb, which is basically very rapid and dense delay.

  • kcstudio Level 4 Level 4

    I'll try the AUMatrixReverb straight away and if I find gold I'll be back to report about it.

    Thank's for the tip!

  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6

    Agree with everyone else, although I think you should be able to experiment with Space Designer and find something satisfactory. Space Designer uses an "impulse response" to define the reverb space.

     

    I have Impulse Responses from the great concert halls around the world... also have an impulse response I sampled of the men's bathroom in the University's Music bldg. Makes a very nice small room verb for electric guitar.

     

    This will give you an idea of what impulse responses are available and the care with which some of them are made.

     

    http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/projects/poririrs/

     

    http://www.memi.de/echochamber/responses/index.html

     

     

    I used many of these on a PC using the free concolution reverb SIR as well as Space Designer on the Mac.

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