14 Replies Latest reply: Nov 14, 2012 7:32 AM by Alberto Ravasio
hotwheels 22 Level 1 (0 points)

i have "repointed" Lion to a new Home Folder on my "data drive" in bay 3 and am running my Lion OS on the disk in bay 1.


when i move data from my Desktop to the Documents folder i am finding that this data is being /copied/ when i would expect it to move.


can anyone explain to me if this is normal procedure and if so why since i always recall in the past that this type of action would result in a move?



Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.4), with 64 bit Win7 in Parallel
  • Alberto Ravasio Level 4 (3,902 points)

    Copy is the expected operation if you "move" files between different disks or volumes.

  • hotwheels 22 Level 1 (0 points)

    hi alberto. thanks for the input here.


    but - i mean - my thinking is that the "data drive" is where my HOME FOLDER resides (i think i did not make this clear in the original post so my apologies)....


    i guess what i am saying is that my HOME FOLDER is on this drive and so is my "Desktop" and my "Documents" folders which are listed /under/ the home folder.


    so i am not really understanding why if my Home Folder shows what is on my desktop and if am moving items from my desktop to my documents folder why it should consider this a different disk.


    this seems like there is some problem or some confusion in the OS to me...


    - jon

  • Chris CA Level 9 (78,695 points)

    hotwheels 22 wrote:


    i have "repointed" Lion to a new Home Folder


    See this -> http://chris.pirillo.com/how-to-move-the-home-folder-in-os-x-and-why/

  • hotwheels 22 Level 1 (0 points)

    hi chris.


    yes. i have seen this link. thanks.


    i have to check but my recollection is that i got another article from mac advanced tech on this.


    does this article explain why one would then have data copied instead of moved when going from the desktop to the documents folder? i mean, i think this is the question i am trying to resolve.


    thank you

  • Chris CA Level 9 (78,695 points)

    As noted, if it is copying files, the desktop and your documents folder are on different drives.


    Did you restart your computer after changing it?

    How are you moving the files? In a Finder window to the sidebar? Two open windows?

  • hotwheels 22 Level 1 (0 points)

    hi chris.


    thanks very much. i would like to understand this. i will also re-read the article when i get a chance.


    this doesn't make any sense to me though, can you help?


    i mean, the whole home folder is on my data drive and i am BACKING up my data drive in order to make sure i retain my data. this means i have a whole archival process i am going through and if the data on my desktop (where i happen to store a lot of critical data) is not in this backup in some way i really need to know this.


    also (and at the same time) if data is copying on my computer when i would expect it to move (or where i previously had it moving) it would be very helpful to know.


    i mean, if i open a finder window and select a folder with 10 GB in it and paste it over the Desktop icon on the data drive (which is in the HOME FOLDER on my data drive - or even if i paste it into the Desktop /alias/ that i created from this folder which resides on my desktop - i cannot see any logical rationale as to why it should COPY.


    there is something wrong here in mac os on the machine or there is some kind of anamoly happening when you move your home folder related to the desktop or there is some kind of PERMISSION issue IMHO. i mean, why should the Finder consider the Home Folder on a different drive than the Desktop Folder if both reside in the same folder on the same drive?



  • hotwheels 22 Level 1 (0 points)

    sorry. yes i ran a restart...

  • Alberto Ravasio Level 4 (3,902 points)

    Open Terminal and type these commands in sequence, hitting return at each line


    diskutil list




    ls -la /Volumes


    post here the result

  • hotwheels 22 Level 1 (0 points)

    hi alberto.


    thank you.


    can i please ask you if there is anything i should remove in here prior to posting? i can put it in a text editor and run a find and replace if this is advisable...



  • Alberto Ravasio Level 4 (3,902 points)

    You can remove the prompt text if you like. The one from the beginning of the line and the $ sign, and change your user name with something like myuser.

  • hotwheels 22 Level 1 (0 points)

    ok. many thanks. it would be nice to be able to read these better on my end as well.


    i think i simply replaced the HOME FOLDER name, the DATA DRIVE name, the primary boot drive (i think i called this "disk1" and the name of the Boot Camp partition on my primary boot drive.


    i guess the r-w-r business relates to permissions that i have when logged in as my normal user? i find it all a little confusing...




    me-Mac-Pro:~ mac_pro$ \

    me-Mac-Pro:~ mac_pro$ diskutil list\


       #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER\

       0:      GUID_partition_scheme                        *1.0 TB     disk0\

       1:                        EFI                         209.7 MB   disk0s1\

       2:                  Apple_HFS name1                797.0 GB   disk0s2\

       3:                 Apple_Boot Recovery HD             650.0 MB   disk0s3\

       4:       Microsoft Basic Data win7_boot_camp_partition                 202.3 GB   disk0s4\


       #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER\

       0:      GUID_partition_scheme                        *2.0 TB     disk1\

       1:                        EFI                         209.7 MB   disk1s1\

       2:                  Apple_HFS clone_of_data_drive                 2.0 TB     disk1s2\


       #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER\

       0:      GUID_partition_scheme                        *2.0 TB     disk2\

       1:                        EFI                         209.7 MB   disk2s1\

       2:                  Apple_HFS data_drive                2.0 TB     disk2s2\


       #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER\

       0:      GUID_partition_scheme                        *1.0 TB     disk3\

       1:                        EFI                         209.7 MB   disk3s1\

       2:                  Apple_HFS OWC 1TB data_drive CLONE  999.9 GB   disk3s2\


       #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER\

       0:      GUID_partition_scheme                        *3.0 TB     disk4\

       1:                        EFI                         209.7 MB   disk4s1\

       2:                  Apple_HFS mac pro data_drive tim... 3.0 TB     disk4s2\


       #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER\

       0:        CD_partition_scheme                        *541.7 MB   disk5\

       1:     Apple_partition_scheme                         471.7 MB   disk5s1\

       2:        Apple_partition_map                         17.9 KB    disk5s1s1\

       3:                  Apple_HFS Readiris                129.8 MB   disk5s1s2\

    me-Mac-Pro:~ mac_pro$ pwd\


    me-Mac-Pro:~ mac_pro$ ls -la /Volumes\

    total 56\

    drwxrwxrwt@ 15 root   admin    510 Nov 14 07:55 .\

    drwxr-xr-x+ 35 root   wheel   1258 Nov 13 09:23 ..\

    drwxrwxr-x  17 mac_pro  staff    646 Nov 14 00:30 OWC 1TB data_drive CLONE\

    -rw-r--r--   1 mac_pro  admin    788 Oct 27 12:33 README.txt\

    drwxr-xr-x   9 mac_pro  staff    306 Apr 27  2011 Readiris\

    lrwxr-xr-x   1 root   admin      1 Nov 12 17:50 name1 -> /\

    -rw-r--r--   1 mac_pro  admin    845 Oct 27 12:33 cgi-bin-2010-11-05-18-26-03.zip\

    -rw-r--r--   1 mac_pro  admin    510 Oct 27 12:33 clustr_map html.txt\

    drwxrwxr-x  22 mac_pro  staff    816 Nov 14 02:00 data_drive\

    drwxr-xr-x   1 mac_pro  staff  12288 Nov 12 23:50 win7_boot_camp_partition\

    -rw-r--r--   1 mac_pro  admin     16 Oct 27 12:33 htaccess\

    drwxrwxr-x  16 mac_pro  staff    612 Oct 29 14:01 mac pro data_drive time machine to g drive\

    drwxrwxr-x  19 mac_pro  staff    714 Nov 14 02:00 clone_of_data_drive\

    -rw-r--r--   1 mac_pro  admin   1727 Oct 27 12:33 private-2010-11-05-19-02-24.zip\

    -rw-r--r--   1 mac_pro  admin   3108 Oct 27 12:33 wp-config.php\

    me-Mac-Pro:~ mac_pro$ }

  • Alberto Ravasio Level 4 (3,902 points)

    WOW. How many disks


    me-Mac-Pro:~ mac_pro$ pwd




    This line tells that your home folder is effectively on the Volume (phisical disk /dev/disk2) data_drive

    I don't think your problem is related to owner permissions, but the standard Users folder has this form


    drwxr-xr-x   7 root     admin       238  4 Nov 15:07 Users


    The standard user folder has this form


    drwxr-xr-x+ 26 alberto  staff   884 14 Nov 09:06 alberto

    0: group:everyone deny delete

  • hotwheels 22 Level 1 (0 points)

    hmmmm. thanks.


    so the Home folder is on the data disk as i had thought and the mac recognizes it as such but for some reason it copies data between my desktop folder and my documents folder...


    seems odd.

  • Alberto Ravasio Level 4 (3,902 points)

    Furthermore, if you do


    ls -la /Volumes/data_drive/Users/mac_pro


    you should see at least


    drwxr-xr-x+ 26 alberto  staff      884 14 Nov 09:06 .

    drwxr-xr-x   7 root     admin      238  4 Nov 15:07 ..

    drwx------+ 14 alberto  staff      476 14 Nov 14:57 Desktop

    drwx------+ 19 alberto  staff      646  7 Nov 13:51 Documents

    drwx------+ 22 alberto  staff      748 14 Nov 09:36 Downloads

    drwx------@ 55 alberto  staff     1870 10 Ott 17:32 Library

    drwx------+ 18 alberto  staff      612  7 Nov 20:29 Movies

    drwx------+ 16 alberto  staff      544 16 Lug 23:35 Music

    drwx------+ 33 alberto  staff     1122 26 Ott 15:42 Pictures

    drwxr-xr-x+  8 alberto  staff      272 18 Lug 09:58 Public


    that are the standard folders created for every users. Inside those folders there should be your documents