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Q: Airplay with no internet connection?

A friend wants to mirror from his iPad 2 (WiFi Only) and iPhone 4S (Verizon unlimited data) to a TV using an Apple TV (3rd Gen).  Problem is the location has no wifi or internet service.  Is an internet/network connection required or can the IOS devices "talk" directly to the Apple TV?  Would a router (even with no internet) connected to the AppleTV help?  He does have the HDMI adapter to connect directly to the TV but being able to get farther away would be more convenient.

 

I'd normally test this out on my equipment, but am traveling and trying to get him a quick answer.  Thanks for any help.

Posted on Nov 16, 2012 12:14 PM

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  • by Brian Cook4,

    Brian Cook4 Brian Cook4 Nov 16, 2012 12:39 PM in response to CaptRicky
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    Nov 16, 2012 12:39 PM in response to CaptRicky

    >Problem is the location has no wifi

    ??  So what network is the AppleTV connected to?  How are they using AppleTV if it has no network connection?

     

    >Is an internet/network connection required or can the IOS devices "talk" directly to the Apple TV?

    Internet no, network yes, of course.  How would it connect if there is no network connection to connect to.

     

    >Would a router (even with no internet) connected to the AppleTV help?

    Yes, you have to have a network connection or AppleTV is just a paper weight.  And the iPad and iPhone need WiFi to have a network connection at all.

     

    >He does have the HDMI adapter to connect directly to the TV

    But, what is AppleTV connected to go get it's content?  There has to be a network connection here somewhere.

  • by CaptRicky,

    CaptRicky CaptRicky Nov 16, 2012 12:51 PM in response to Brian Cook4
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    Nov 16, 2012 12:51 PM in response to Brian Cook4

    He's trying to find out what he needs....does not have an Apple TV yet.  I guess he saw an Airplay site on Apple that leads him to believe that an Apple TV and iPad/iPhone can "talk" to one another.  He just wants stream photos and videos he has made using the devices...no commercial content.

  • by Brian Cook4,Helpful

    Brian Cook4 Brian Cook4 Nov 16, 2012 12:58 PM in response to CaptRicky
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    Nov 16, 2012 12:58 PM in response to CaptRicky

    >him to believe that an Apple TV and iPad/iPhone can "talk" to one another

    Yes if they have a network they are all on.  No internet access is needed, but they do have to be connected to each other.

  • by CaptRicky,

    CaptRicky CaptRicky Nov 16, 2012 1:10 PM in response to Brian Cook4
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    Nov 16, 2012 1:10 PM in response to Brian Cook4

    Ok, so he need a wireless router along with the AppleTV to do what we wants.

     

    Thanks.

  • by Audio Doc,

    Audio Doc Audio Doc Feb 5, 2013 2:49 PM in response to CaptRicky
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    Feb 5, 2013 2:49 PM in response to CaptRicky

    I used to be able to use Apple TV 2 with a stand-alone WiFi router and my iPad.  However, 2 weeks ago, while trying to display video over this same set of tools, at a major trade show event, my Apple TV insisted that it be connected to the Internet to work.  Nothing I tried solved this problem. Some update to the Apple TV broke this functionality.  This is certainly not progress.  As an A/V industry professional, this was 90% of my justification to purchase the ATV2.

  • by CaptRicky,

    CaptRicky CaptRicky Feb 5, 2013 10:36 PM in response to Audio Doc
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    Feb 5, 2013 10:36 PM in response to Audio Doc

    Actually, we got it worked out.  He is now set up with a D-Link Pocket Router and the latest version of AppleTV updated to the most recent firmware.  The new software actually has a page during setup where if there is no internet connection found you are given the option to 'Continue Without Internet'.

     

    Also, he is able to use his Verizon account to set up a Verizon Personal Hot Spot and connect the Apple TV to the internet using that connection.

  • by Christian_Hunter,

    Christian_Hunter Christian_Hunter May 9, 2013 1:07 AM in response to CaptRicky
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    May 9, 2013 1:07 AM in response to CaptRicky

    Do you know exactly how he's "connecting the Apple TV to the internet using that [Personal Hot Spot] connection"?

     

    Any advice as to how that's done would be greatly appreciated.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Christian Hunter

    Austin, TX

  • by CaptRicky,

    CaptRicky CaptRicky May 10, 2013 10:31 AM in response to Christian_Hunter
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    May 10, 2013 10:31 AM in response to Christian_Hunter

    Setup a Verizon hot spot with his iPhone or iPad,  connect the ATV to the wifi network created by the hotspot.

     

    FYI, You could do this type of setup with ATT but the feature is added monthly cost to your data plan and your data plan must be one of the new tiered plans.  I have the grandfathered unlimited plans so it is not allowed on my data plan.

  • by Alvand,

    Alvand Alvand Dec 30, 2015 4:39 AM in response to CaptRicky
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    Dec 30, 2015 4:39 AM in response to CaptRicky

    iPhone 5 or higher with Apple TV 3rd Generation or higher can "talk" to each other without a wifi. It uses the same technology as AirDrop across all devices nowadays.

  • by Protodd,

    Protodd Protodd Dec 30, 2015 7:41 AM in response to Alvand
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    Dec 30, 2015 7:41 AM in response to Alvand

    This post is almost 3 years old?!?

  • by Old Man Scope,

    Old Man Scope Old Man Scope Aug 8, 2016 6:57 PM in response to CaptRicky
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    Aug 8, 2016 6:57 PM in response to CaptRicky

    This post is old but I still have this issue. I have iPad 2 mini and iPhone 6+ and just bough ATV. I do not get the option of AirPlay where i should. I have set up a wireless router and all devices are connected to it (no internet). My question is "Should this setup work?". I don't have any internet in my home except 500mb daily use on my phone. I can hotspot but don't want to use data, I have music and videos already in my dives and I want to use mirroring. Any help or direction would be great. Thanks

  • by Diana.McCall,

    Diana.McCall Diana.McCall Aug 8, 2016 7:09 PM in response to Old Man Scope
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    Aug 8, 2016 7:09 PM in response to Old Man Scope

    How did you setup the ATV? Using the hotspot? And then you configured it to use your local network? Have you enabled AirPlay in the ATV settings? In your case, it might be easier to use peer-to-peer AirPlay. Turn on Bluetooth on your device, as well as WiFi, and ATV should appear in the AirPlay menu even without network, see How to use AirPlay on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch - Apple Support.

  • by Old Man Scope,

    Old Man Scope Old Man Scope Aug 8, 2016 7:26 PM in response to CaptRicky
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    Aug 8, 2016 7:26 PM in response to CaptRicky

    I Got my issues sorted. I connected ATV to hotspot on my phone, reset all settings on ATV and then went through the initial setup again. I had noticed my ATV was not activated until that setup process was complete. No more than 10mb of data was used. I can now connect ATV and iPad to wireless router (no internet) and the AirPlay feature can be used. Thank you for responding!