7 Replies Latest reply: Nov 30, 2012 10:39 AM by dagsct21
dagsct21 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hello,

 

Applications like Safary, FireFox, and Photoshop crash all the time after some 10-15 minutes of use. First I thought it was just an issue with my internet browsers but since I've been using PS for the last days it's been happening a lot. I have a feelling it's with all the applications used for long periods of time. My system is a 15" PowerBook G4 1.33GHz PowerPC G4 with 1.5 GB running Mac OS X 10.4.11. I'd really appreciate any input on this.

 

Thank you.


PowerBook, Mac OS X (10.4.11), G4, 1.33Ghz PowerPC, 15.1' Screen
  • Klaus1 Level 8 Level 8 (45,645 points)

    You need lots of RAM and free hard drive space to run those applications on an old G4.

     

    How much of each do you have?

  • dagsct21 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for response. My original post reads in bold letters most of my system's specs including 1.5 GB for RAM, then my free HDD space is about 39 GBs out of 55. What you said relates to running PS although I'd expect slow rendering of images at high detail and not sudden crashes. Anyways, my current HDD capacity and RAM shouldn't crash internet browsers consistently nearly 95% of the time after 10 minutes of use.

     

    I'm looking to see if someone knows about known issue with these old systems probably due to lack of updating from Apple or something like that. Reading one of the automated reports created at one of the crashes I read something about "... wrong instruction..." or so. Next time a crash generates a report I'll make sure to post it.

     

    Look forward to more suggestions.

  • Klaus1 Level 8 Level 8 (45,645 points)

    You probably need to clean out some cache files.

     

    Your browser crash may be a different issue. Post the full crash report next time it happens:

     

    Go to your Applications Folder and open your Utilities Folder. Open the application Console.

     

    In the left-hand column, click on Crash Reporter.

     

    Click on the small triangle under Crash Reporter in the l/h column and they will all be listed.

     

    Scroll down to the latest Safari report and click on it.

     

    Now click on the r/h column (which now only shows THAT crash report and then Command-a to copy it all.

     

    Come back here and Command-v it to post it here!

  • dagsct21 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I recently performed a cache clear using terminal "lookupd -flushcache" in an attempt to fix the browsers crashing. Please, see crash report below:

     

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    Host Name:      Dags-G4

    Date/Time:      2012-11-17 02:57:39.982 -0500

    OS Version:     10.4.11 (Build 8S165)

    Report Version: 4

     

     

    Command: UniversalAccess

    Path:    /System/Library/PreferencePanes/UniversalAccessPref.prefPane/Contents/Resources /UniversalAccess.app/Contents/MacOS/UniversalAccess

    Parent:  WindowServer [62]

     

     

    Version:        2.4 (2.4)

    Build Version:  3

    Project Name:   UniversalAccessPref

    Source Version: 561300

     

     

    PID:    167

    Thread: 0

     

     

    Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)

    Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x0000039c

     

     

    Thread 0 Crashed:

    0   com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x932ae360 PostEventToQueueInternal + 252

    1   com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x932b17b0 ConvertPlatformEventRecordAndPostWithOptions + 4496

    2   com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x932b05fc PullEventsFromWindowServerOnConnection + 304

    3   com.apple.CoreFoundation            0x907ec654 __CFMachPortPerform + 176

    4   com.apple.CoreFoundation            0x907ec568 __CFRunLoopDoSource1 + 152

    5   com.apple.CoreFoundation            0x907dec80 __CFRunLoopRun + 1556

    6   com.apple.CoreFoundation            0x907de2b0 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 268

    7   com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x932adb20 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 264

    8   com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x932ad1b4 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 380

    9   com.apple.HIToolbox                 0x932ad020 BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 96

    10  com.apple.AppKit                    0x93792734 _DPSNextEvent + 384

    11  com.apple.AppKit                    0x937923f8 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 116

    12  com.apple.AppKit                    0x9378e93c -[NSApplication run] + 472

    13  com.apple.AppKit                    0x9387f458 NSApplicationMain + 452

    14  com.apple.universalaccess           0x00002084 0x1000 + 4228

    15  com.apple.universalaccess           0x00001f2c 0x1000 + 3884

     

     

    Thread 0 crashed with PPC Thread State 64:

      srr0: 0x00000000932ae360 srr1: 0x000000000200f030                        vrsave: 0x0000000000000000

        cr: 0x24024442          xer: 0x0000000020000004   lr: 0x00000000932ae360  ctr: 0x00000000900011c8

        r0: 0x00000000932ae360   r1: 0x00000000bfffe6b0   r2: 0x00000000a0001fa4   r3: 0x0000000000417af0

        r4: 0x0000000000417af0   r5: 0x0000000000000001   r6: 0x0000000000000000   r7: 0x0000000000000020

        r8: 0x0000000000000030   r9: 0x0000000000000000  r10: 0x00000000932f0540  r11: 0x00000000a32a78c4

       r12: 0x00000000900011c8  r13: 0x0000000000000000  r14: 0x0000000000000001  r15: 0x0000000000000001

       r16: 0x0000000000000000  r17: 0x0000000000000000  r18: 0x0000000000003ffb  r19: 0x0000000000000000

       r20: 0x0000000000000000  r21: 0x0000000000000001  r22: 0x0000000000000000  r23: 0x0000000000000000

       r24: 0x0000000000000000  r25: 0x0000000000000000  r26: 0x0000000000000000  r27: 0x0000000000000000

       r28: 0x0000000000000001  r29: 0x0000000000417af0  r30: 0x0000000000000000  r31: 0x00000000932ae278

     

     

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    Thanks for taking the time!

  • dagsct21 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Mysteriously after posting previous comment my mac started behaving a lot better. The next few days after comment it worked very smoothly without crashes and issue has only repeated a couple of days with sporadic crashes after 2-3 hours of use & some moments of painful crashes one after another. However, it's been specific to Safari this time, haven't used PS but used Word & Excel significantly lately without issue.

     

    Anyways, this is a used mac I bought given the low price & good condition mainly to have an experience using & maintaining macs since I'm an IT Support Tech & never even touched one. So, my question now is:

     

    Would a fresh install of Mac OS X Leopard (10.5.6 or so) maybe give me a more stable system?

     

    Thanks again in advance to whoever takes the time to read my noob questions :-)

  • dalstott Level 4 Level 4 (2,600 points)

    RE; Would a fresh install of Mac OS X Leopard (10.5.6 or so) maybe give me a more stable system?

     

    It could but until you try there is no easy way to know. I have a G4 Powerbook with 10.5.8 which is very reliable. If you have access to a retail 10.5.x installation disk I would try it rather than buying one as they are expensive.

    See these links for examples.

     

    http://hardcoremac.stores.yahoo.net/

     

    http://www.buycheapr.com/us/result.jsp?ga=us14&q=leopard+10.5+os+x

  • dagsct21 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yeah I don't think I have a choice if I want to get anymore juice out of this Mac, it would be a shame not to get at least 1 more year out of it since they have such good keyboard & overall quality. I may be able to get 10.5.x install cd from eBay, I just let one go last week for $54.

     

    Thx a lot for reply.