Q: iTunes 11: No more album art preview for selected track??? :(

grufnmuf wrote:

 

like it says in the TOS for Apple Support Groups...

"Constructive feedback about product features is welcome as well."

sh*t second point I'm quiet now Should have read this before

And from the way this thread has turned into a personal slanging match, I think mine was a very constructive (and my last) suggestion.  

attempting to silence reasonaby voiced criticism is never constructive....  so perhaps it's for the best.

I've been reading this thread from afar and now I'd like to voice my criticism as well. Why I hate iTunes 11:

No way to open playlists in separate windows.

I have to flip between playlists to compare them now.

No way to jump to Songs view from any other view as you were previously able to do when you inverted the Store link in iTunes 10.

Songs view is easily the most detailed view. Before you could invert the iTunes store links to jump to that song in Songs/List view and your column browser will be set accordingly. Very handy for me and I used it a lot. Now you can only jump to a song in either Album or Artist view. Neither of which can be customized to show the same level of detail as list view. The only workaround I found so far was jumping to either view, highlighting a song, and then switching to Songs view. The song you highlighted will be on top, but your column browser still won't be set so you won't be able to, for example, see the playcounts for only that artist's songs without manually setting it yourself.

No way to keep repeat and shuffle settings for different playlists.

Before if you had one playlist that you always shuffled and/or repeated it would remain that way until you changed it. Now all lists share the same setting so I must remember to always set the shuffle and repeat to what I like whenever playing a list.

...and of course as the TC along with countless others have mentioned:

No way to preview album art from any given single track.

This is just lame. The album art you see when you switch to Album or Artist view is not necessarily indicative of the album art placed on that track. To get that information, I must now select a track, Command-I, and click on the Artwork tab.

No album art in Songs/List view.

And this is even worse. No workaround here.

As you can see, for me iTunes 11 is more about what you can no longer do than what you can. I am only glad that I stopped using iTunes as my primary ID3 editor years ago less I run into the same problems others have.

My replacement software of choice right now is iTunes 10.7, but since I have an iPad-mini, I need 11. I have voiced my complaints to their feedback system and will continue to do so until something is done or I resolve the issue in other ways. In the meantime, I will research other software to see which ones I can easily export years of iTunes metadata (playcounts, last played, date added, etc.) to. It's a real shame that it might come down to that as I truly loved iTunes pre ver.11, but if it doesn't work then it's time for me to move on.

Maybe this is a bad comparison but I will throw it out there anyway.. Some of us were not really phased by the change and some of us were but have found "somewhat" of a work around and are content for now. I think where some of the frustration comes from it "appears or the perception is" members are offering a work around / suggestions  and they hear back "I don't want it that way, I want it the old way" "You don don't get what I'm saying"  Its like I'm trying to help you and you are being ungrateful.

It's like giving a someone  a chocolate chip cookie and they say "I don't want a Nibisco cookie I want a Chips-Ahoy"...  Well, its the same cookie just made a little differently so try to enjoy it.

Coming from a person who is a HUGH Music Lover with all sorts of play lists  and recognized my music by Art Work I was soooo upset with the initial change so I can 1000000% identify with user frustration.  But I have to be honest and say in my opinion a lot of the push back is coming from people looking for answers rather then people offering answers.

Just because someone says "you can't click on the little box on the left but you can enlarge the art work in artist view" is not being dismissive its getting to the point! No one is going to hold anyone's hand, or comb your hair or tell you they identify with you or understand as this is not a therapy session.

Also It is a matter of interpation  and how members express what they want to accomplish... one member was saying they wanted to move music around,, and I'm like "***?"  what they wanted to do as I later found out was have more sort options in artist view as you can in list view.

If we take feedback with a grain of salt good bad or otherwise, stop getting offended and ignore what we perceive as dismissive replies this forum can remain with the focus intended.  If I do not like a suggestion I just move to another post. 

Take this as an insult, helpful, constructive, rude, point out my spelling errors or poor grammer or however you want too... But I wish you all to find what you are looking for.

Kim Hill1 wrote:

 

 

gerhard221 wrote:

 

I think that is the point. You [rhythmdevils] want to have this thread as some kind of petition thread.

 

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Complaining here again and again does not help. I think you know what I mean.

Please don't be frustrated about users who wants to help handling the current situation.

 

 

This thread is what the participants make of it. I started it in the hope that like-minded people would chime in, and it has succeeded far beyond my expections.

 

While it's true that the thread is not an official conduit to Apple, the fact that it has (as of 1/3/13) 400+ posts and over 40,000 views — says a lot.

 

For those like me who find fault with iTunes 11, a lot of the frustration is that people here are proposing workarounds that don't address the problem AT ALL — and then they complain that we're not grateful, or that we're complainers. It's irritating.

 

I am still hoping against hope that Apple will return an option for the Album Art box in list views. It really would not harm Apple's intentions for the new iTunes, and whether Apple shows some flexibilty here will, I believe, tell us something significant about Apple's interest in continuing to delight its users who are more engaged with using their software.

In my humble opinion I understand the work around does not work for some pople.. well these people need to stop getting annoyed at the people who suggest the work around... I can't offer the option of the art work box coming back in the bottom left...  All we can do is say "hey this works for me, why don't you try it"... if everyone can stop getting bent out of shape and dismissing the suggestions being offered we can get past this behind the scenes political crap and move on to more constructive feedback. Sad to say some people are not getting the answer they want to hear.... all they have to say is "thanks for your help" and leave it at that. But people need to stop critiquing folks who are giving answers, suggestions good or bad.

"all they have to say is "thanks for your help" and leave it at that."

and all that YOU had to say was "sorry, I don't know a workaround for those two issues" and leave it at that...

I still say the simple workaround is to just downgrade to 10.7 or further...and wait until Apple addresses these issues.  It's not difficult to do and you will have that album art window you miss back.  I am glad I did as I just did not like what I saw with 11. 

As I mentioned before, i luckily went back to 10.5 because of the ability to view multiple album art within the window.  I was extrememly unhappy when they removed this during the updates to 10.5.  So I went back to the start of 10.5 and that's where I will stay. 

itunes should be more flexable.  If they gave the user more options to customize it the way they see fit, there wouldn't be as much backlash.  Bust as it stands, they have taken a lot away for the sake of streamlining the player and making it more like their mobile apps. 

I wish everyone good luck in making itunes work for you in the current environment...but for me...I will stick with the older version.

grufnmuf wrote:

 

"all they have to say is "thanks for your help" and leave it at that."

 

and all that YOU had to say was "sorry, I don't know a workaround for those two issues" and leave it at that...

Then you would complain people are too dismissive and not offering to assist. I'm going to be blunt!  Some of the favorite features of itunes 10 are gone and may not come back. There are no backdoor ways or tricks up someone's sleeve  or magic wand to wave to bring them back. You have the choice of reverting back to 10, getting rid of your MAC products, sorting through the posts with your fingers crossed someone has the answer you want or getting a grip and dealing the change. But do not judge people for offering to assist. It may not be the answer you want to hear but perhaps there is someone else it may benefit from. So stop being so selfish this is not your forum.   

how presumptuousof you.. you have no idea WHAT I would say.. but I could hardly consider the simple act of acknowledging an inabitliy to help as "dismissive" - but, hey, here's an idea.. if ya can't help with the actual problems being posed, there's no rule that says you HAVE to respond at all... is there?

I don't judge people who try to offer assistance.. but that's not ALL you did... you tried to offer workarounds for OTHER problems and, when those of us who are concerned with the problems as stated at the beginning of the thread point out that your workarounds do not ADDRESS those two issues, you get offended and turn quite unfriendly (while we're being blunt).

Now, since most of us in this thread are concerned with solving two issues that YOU, admittedly, don't have a solution for - I wonder WHY you keep posting here?

If you expect some sudden rush of gratitude for your benevolence in this thread towards us humble know-nothings - it's just not gonna happen.

So - you have said your piece, expressed it well and fully... you have no reason to stay around just to bait people who are trying to find a solution and choose not to accept your statement that "there isn't one, so just get on with it".

Any further comments will just continue this peeing match.

at least gerhard had the dignity to accept the Apple Support Forums TOS

"Constructive feedback about product features is welcome as well."

and that's exactly what we're doing... "providing constructive feedback about product features" here, as well as on the feedback form.

some of us have already backdated our iTunes apps to the earlier level.. but we can still discuss the changes and, if nothing else, vent our displeasure to let folks know that they are not alone.

It ain't YOUR forum either.

You wonder why I keep posting here?  I was just thinking the same thing about you.. So, its okay for you to continue looking through this forum. But I'm not allowed to post my work-around ideas hoping it may help someone somewhere?  Just give me the answer to this....

And again, its not a matter of someone saying "hey, ichat that wont work for me" and it is certainly not about wanting a "rush of gratitude" its about participants throwing a temper tantrums because people do not have the magical switch.  I think it was you who said I should just say "I don't have an answer" and leave it at that.  Well, that's suggests my opinion dont matter . 

And my statement about "there is not one so lets move on" only came after people having an attitude after they were offered assistance. But you seem to have such a hard time grasping that reality.  If you or anyone else does not like my suggestion that's fine.. I understand that.. but if you give me attitude from the gate because I suggested something you don;t like then get out your willies because there will be a ******* match.

grufnmuf wrote:

 

how presumptuousof you.. you have no idea WHAT I would say.. but I could hardly consider the simple act of acknowledging an inabitliy to help as "dismissive" - but, hey, here's an idea.. if ya can't help with the actual problems being posed, there's no rule that says you HAVE to respond at all... is there?

 

I don't judge people who try to offer assistance.. but that's not ALL you did... you tried to offer workarounds for OTHER problems and, when those of us who are concerned with the problems as stated at the beginning of the thread point out that your workarounds do not ADDRESS those two issues, you get offended and turn quite unfriendly (while we're being blunt).

Now, since most of us in this thread are concerned with solving two issues that YOU, admittedly, don't have a solution for - I wonder WHY you keep posting here?

If you expect some sudden rush of gratitude for your benevolence in this thread towards us humble know-nothings - it's just not gonna happen.

So - you have said your piece, expressed it well and fully... you have no reason to stay around just to bait people who are trying to find a solution and choose not to accept your statement that "there isn't one, so just get on with it".

Any further comments will just continue this peeing match.

at least gerhard had the dignity to accept the Apple Support Forums TOS

"Constructive feedback about product features is welcome as well."

and that's exactly what we're doing... "providing constructive feedback about product features" here, as well as on the feedback form.

some of us have already backdated our iTunes apps to the earlier level.. but we can still discuss the changes and, if nothing else, vent our displeasure to let folks know that they are not alone.

 

It ain't YOUR forum either.

And you both are clogging this forum up with the back and forth.  How about we leave it be and move on. 

I'm sorry that this happened but I do not like to be backed i a corner and that was how I felt.  There appears to be no way to get this option back and the work arounds people sugested do not address the original complaint so perhaps this thread should just be closed.