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  • Steve Gallagher Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    ProQuo69 wrote:

     

    Okay so how about you screen shot that 170k number and share it..  You can go back and fourth all day... however in the end APPLE BETRAYED you and you are doing nothing about but having a cyber debate with total strangers (as this DEVIL guy types so hard with rage his response) cant wait to see what he has to say.

     

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  • ProQuo69 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    WOW i am actually impressed.  But still you are stuck with a compnay that failed you.. right?

  • TPerhai Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    That's missing the point. The point is, Mac users *want* to use iTunes because it is/was the best Mac player/database available. DIssatisfaction with a product does not indicate whining, immaturity, bickering, or any of the number of words detractors on this forum have used to belittle the issue.

     

    It is not at all uncommon that people can be dissatisfied with a company's product and still use other products made by that company. The point is, lots of folks here probably don't have the time, money, or resources to deal with the hassle to restructure their music lifestyle. They just want a product that "just works", as Apple has demonstrated in the past. iTunes 11 is not a product that "just works". It fails to increase productivity, for example. Some features that were one-click-and-done and batch-capable are now multiple clicks or one-at-a-time features.

     

    What with having several Apple devices, iTunes can be seen as the central hub around these devices. iTunes should be a very sophisticated program to handle the many varieties of user experiences. Instead Apple has decided that the user experience be limited to what they think is the correct "experience". People are frustrated with an iTunes music listening and cataloging environment that has gone hostile.

     

    Lastly, about cover art: a lot of people spent a lot of time on cover art. iTunes used to retain some aspect of the LP/singles artwork concept that almost disappeared with CDs. You could have nice, big, beautiful, hi-res cover art. Or, you could totally ignore the cover art. That was the choice. Now it's gone. I think having the art limited to what it is in iTunes 11 is an insult to the people who have spent so much time developing their user experience and now feel disconnected and perhaps a tad angry.

     

    That Apple could and is being disdainful of any perecentage of its user base is disturbing. Sure, not everyone is going to be happy with an update. But it seems a lot of users are not happy with iTunes 11. Apple doesn't seem to be listening. I mentioned in an earlier post that I was leaving iTunes, so you'll be happy to know I am making a mature decision. I can't help, however, wish that I weren't. It's going to take a lot of work rebuilding my database and transitioning, and of iPhone synching I still don't know about that. But why do this conversion at all? Wouldn't it be easier for Apple to redesign iTunes back into more than just a music player/Store hub? I still use Apple products, and likely will continue to do so, but my whole idea of building an all-Apple entertainment environment is going out the window.

     

     

    Written without the help of a spell-checker that ought to be featured in Apple Support Communities.

  • Steve Gallagher Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    ProQuo69 wrote:

     

    WOW i am actually impressed.  But still you are stuck with a compnay that failed you.. right?

    Not at all. I never "upgraded" my main computer, an iMac, to iTunes 11, so for me everything remains as it was.

     

    I tested it on my MacBook Pro and was horrified.

     

    I'm also testing the Alpha version of JRiver's MC MAC if there ever comes a time I can't use iTunes 10.7 on my iMac

  • ProQuo69 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    TPerhai wrote:

     

    That's missing the point. The point is, Mac users *want* to use iTunes because it is/was the best Mac player/database available. DIssatisfaction with a product does not indicate whining, immaturity, bickering, or any of the number of words detractors on this forum have used to belittle the issue.

     

    It is not at all uncommon that people can be dissatisfied with a company's product and still use other products made by that company. The point is, lots of folks here probably don't have the time, money, or resources to deal with the hassle to restructure their music lifestyle. They just want a product that "just works", as Apple has demonstrated in the past. iTunes 11 is not a product that "just works". It fails to increase productivity, for example. Some features that were one-click-and-done and batch-capable are now multiple clicks or one-at-a-time features.

     

    What with having several Apple devices, iTunes can be seen as the central hub around these devices. iTunes should be a very sophisticated program to handle the many varieties of user experiences. Instead Apple has decided that the user experience be limited to what they think is the correct "experience". People are frustrated with an iTunes music listening and cataloging environment that has gone hostile.

     

    Lastly, about cover art: a lot of people spent a lot of time on cover art. iTunes used to retain some aspect of the LP/singles artwork concept that almost disappeared with CDs. You could have nice, big, beautiful, hi-res cover art. Or, you could totally ignore the cover art. That was the choice. Now it's gone. I think having the art limited to what it is in iTunes 11 is an insult to the people who have spent so much time developing their user experience and now feel disconnected and perhaps a tad angry.

     

    That Apple could and is being disdainful of any perecentage of its user base is disturbing. Sure, not everyone is going to be happy with an update. But it seems a lot of users are not happy with iTunes 11. Apple doesn't seem to be listening. I mentioned in an earlier post that I was leaving iTunes, so you'll be happy to know I am making a mature decision. I can't help, however, wish that I weren't. It's going to take a lot of work rebuilding my database and transitioning, and of iPhone synching I still don't know about that. But why do this conversion at all? Wouldn't it be easier for Apple to redesign iTunes back into more than just a music player/Store hub? I still use Apple products, and likely will continue to do so, but my whole idea of building an all-Apple entertainment environment is going out the window.

     

    Crying over missing art work may not be the way to get APPLE to listen to your complaint - ACTIONS speak louder then words.  Once consumer usage is down then maybe APPLE will listen and make the appropriate changes. but throwing tantrums will not do it.  I do not work for apple and do not pretend to know the system but it seems common sense....  They made the changes for a reason,,, strong arm them, get a reason out of them,,  and its not like ya'll cant see art work at all. but U want it the way you want it.  Well again its gone for now... so maybe its time to stop starring at the art work and enjoy the music with your ears.

  • TPerhai Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Steve, I am an early adopter of Media Center 18 for Mac. That is the program I will use if it comes down to a showdown between iTunes 11 and MC 18. RIght now, device support is limited to remotes. No sharing or synching yet, but hopefully coming soon. As for my music, I can get it from other (legal) sources, and with MC 18, in some cases, more hi-res than iTunes.

  • ProQuo69 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Im gonna let you all fight this out amoung each other..  hope you find some peace with this and not take corporate change so seriously. remeber, actions speak louder then words.

  • Steve Gallagher Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    TPerhai wrote:

     

    Steve, I am an early adopter of Media Center 18 for Mac. That is the program I will use if it comes down to a showdown between iTunes 11 and MC 18. RIght now, device support is limited to remotes. No sharing or synching yet, but hopefully coming soon. As for my music, I can get it from other (legal) sources, and with MC 18, in some cases, more hi-res than iTunes.

    I pre-ordered well before the first release and downloaded the first Alpha on day one.

     

    But even they don't get album artwork right, they have a lot to learn from what iTunes had come up with.

     

    Seems like it only displays artwork for the song playing, and even then it's rotated to the left a few degrees, has a shadow image under the artwork and it doesn't scale size as you change the width of the sidebar. I've brought it up, but they seem not to understand what I mean.

     

    It's an Aplha, so I think they have much more serious issues to deal with, like preventing it from crashing. ;-)

  • Steve Gallagher Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    ProQuo69 wrote:

     

    Im gonna let you all fight this out amoung each other..  hope you find some peace with this and not take corporate change so seriously. remeber, actions speak louder then words.

    Looks like the troll punched himself out. ;-)

  • TPerhai Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    You're still missing the point. User anger *usually* indicates frustration, and in this case, it's with Apple Feedback. Apple's responses so far show that either they're being very stubborn, recalictrant, or worse just ignoring the feedback entirely. But, no, the putting back in of Find Duplicates is a sign that they do listen, if just a little.

     

    Dr. Suess' Horton Hears A Who, where the people are shouting but almost no one hears them, is reflective of what seems to be going on at Apple.

     

    Please, stop harping about the supposed "obsession with artwork" the users on this forum thread seem to have. If you note, I am not being angry or obsessing over removed features, but trying to explain why the design of iTunes 11 doesn't meet my needs. Also, I should note that I *am* an Apple fanboy most of the time, and when an Apple fanboy doesn't like a product of Apple's you can sure bet that it isn't good.

     

    Message was edited by: TPerhai because there is no spell-checker on the Communities.

  • TPerhai Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well one version of MC 18 for Mac Alpha (154) did crash pretty badly, but they pulled that one within a few hours and came up with build 155. Also, if you are having stuttering with music, check your sample rate upscaling options (under Options, in I think Audio but I'm not sure).

     

    Yes, some features like the tagging interface aren't working very well, but it is an Alpha after all. : )

  • coalxman Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Apple did not FAIL<  this thread was just to let them know that we are not happy with the new direction they are heading towards,  and since Steve Jobs is dead,  they may have lost the ability to keep the pulse of its users .  

     

    We are letting them know ,  the new design stinks, and taking away some cool features we have all come to love is wrong.

     

    We are also letting people know that its an Easy switch back 10.7 

     

    Without steve jobs protecting them from making very DUMB mistakes, such as apple maps. ect.    Its obvious to many that they may need a lttle help from the popcorn gallery.

  • Steve Gallagher Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    TPerhai wrote:

     

     

     

    Yes, some features like the tagging interface aren't working very well, but it is an Alpha after all. : )

    Next week I'm going to suggest they look into how iTunes worked with single or multiple tracks when invoking cmd-I, Get Info. I like having everything available in a tabbed window.

  • Steve Gallagher Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    coalxman wrote:

     

     

     

    Without steve jobs protecting them from making very DUMB mistakes, such as apple maps. ect.    Its obvious to many that they may need a lttle help from the popcorn gallery.

    A couple of high level people that were working on interface got fired several months ago, and now it's centralized under Jonathan Ive. Maybe that will help.

     

    They seem to have been doing things just for the sake of doing them lately.

  • coalxman Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    That is fantastic news,  I think his thinking is brilliant, and so thank you for sharing that with me, as that is extremely comforting knowing that the Design of things to come are in great hands.     Thank you.

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