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I can't minimize iTunes 11 window by double-clicking on the title bar. It's as if minimizing the full window to the new mini-player has wiped out this functionality.
iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), unreleased iMacs
codydhorner wrote:
I hope they add this functionality back.
I double click the spacious grey area I would call the "title bar" of iTunes 11 at least twice a day to then remember I must precisely click the tiny orange button instead.
This is long overdue for a fix.
I'm just curious... Does Apple actually read these posts? Because this seems like a problem that should be addressed. I've contacted Apple customer service about a variety of issues over the years and nothing ever gets resolved. (Unless something's broken, like a powercord. They're pretty good about replacing those without issue.)
Anyway, I double click that stupid itunes titlebar every single day out of habit. Until I realize, yet again, that itunes decided to get creative with their UX.
laurenjung1 wrote:
I'm just curious... Does Apple actually read these posts?
Some may do so but don't expect Apple to post/reply here..
This is a user-to-user forum
Suggestions here -> http://www.apple.com/feedback/
Oh thank you Chris, that's very helpful! I've never tried feedback before... I usually go straight to the Customer Service line because these forums don't usually have too many answers. But now I know what to expect!
Note that you will not get a response at that link. It is simply feedback/suggestions to Apple.
Hey, guys. Sounds like you might be in full screen mode, maybe? If that's the case, there are two ways to deal with that.
The first is to use the window toggle keys (command+tab) and hit the tab key while keeping the command key down until you land on the window/application you want.
The second is to exit the full screen mode by opening your iTunes window, then press command+shift+f and see if that doesn't shrink your window so it functions like any other window.
Hope this helps! :]
If you are in full screen mode, you will not see the menu bar until you move the mouse to the top of the screen.
To exit full screen mode, move the mouse to the top of the screen until you see the menu bar then click the inward pointing blue arrows on the right side of the menu bar.
Hotkeys completely bypass the need for any point-and-click methods, which is what ^⌘f is supposed to do. It would seem that this particular combination doesn't work in this version, though, even though it shows it's supposed to next to the exit/enter full screen mode under the view menu. Instead, it looks like ^⌘f does the same thing as ⌘f in iTunes 11 at the moment... I never noticed until now since my window was out of fullscreen since I updated from 10.something a while back.
As for the "inward pointing blue arrows on the right side of the menu bar," yes, that is another way to do it. Both Windows OS and OS X usually have a multitude of ways to do the same thing, I'm assuming in case one of the other ways doesn't work for a number of reasons.
we're not talking about full-screen vs not here, it's the minimization function we're discussing.
it remains broken, and like H Man, i find myself double-clicking to minimize pretty regularly. sure wish apple would address this.
John Gruber says that removal of the double-click title bar minimization is more than likely by design by the iTunes 11 team. It's not proof that Apple is taking a feature away from its users, rather, I think it says something about where the heads of its programmers are at. Modal windows, if I'm using the term correctly, are the norm in OS X, but not so in iOS. If Apple wants to move in the direction of modal-less windows on the Mac, then they will start by knocking off applications one by one until they have converted us all to Mac users married to a Home button. I can't say if that's good or bad, but I would like to have the Home button before they start killing off modal windows.
I'd like to read that - where does he say this? Sometimes I don't mind reading Gruber's articles, but a lot of them annoy me and I disagree with.
I emailed him when I first noticed the change in iTunes 11, so all I have is his response. I asked if he thought the change was "a feature or a bug?", and he replied that he thought it was "by design." It was a pretty short exchange, without any elaboration.
I'm grousing about such a minor thing, almost in spite of the stellar products that Apple makes. iTunes changed the entire music industry, and opened up a world of music that I probably wouldn't have otherwise had any exposure to. I guess that I'm ok with Apple taking off after a wild hare every now and then, as removal of the double-click title bar minimization is a pretty mild transgression in the grand scheme of things.
I don't know if there's anything to Apple going for non-modal windows in OS X. It was just speculation on my part. One has to wonder, however, how OS X and iOS might one day converge. When all the innovations are being generated by the iOS team, and OS X users are begging for its sibling's features, then it might become easier for Apple to stray further from a mouse-controlled interface. Even though I think that the Magic Mouse is the best mouse ever to come out of Cupertino, I think that Apple wouldn't mind just shipping trackpads with its Macs nowadays. Ironically, if there's any company that I think would love to be responsible for killing off the mouse, it would be Apple.
I would sort of agree with you on the mouse, outside of the fact that every single Apple presentation using a Mac on stage shows the presenter mousing it 🙂 I can only hope you're wrong as the track pad isn't that great for anything other than the gestures and scrolling. The speed and accurracy just isn't there. If anyting, I'd love to see them make a revision of the Magic Mouse with some kind of a side button modifier to allow a few more gestures. I do agree with you the Magic Mouse is great - and after using it for who knows how long now, I think it's the best mouse I've ever used. Period.
Hopefully OSX never becomes iOS in function, and only continues along the path of bringing the best programs and small ideas over where it makes sense. I think it's really time to improve Finder on many levels as well, and work to push gaming on the Mac platform which would in turn move them to focus more on the underpinnings and graphic subsystem and drivers etc. With Windows 8 taking some of the focus off direct access to the file system, and with Apple creating more obstacles for 3rd party apps in regards to Sandboxing and folder permissions etc. I really hope the industry doesn't continue its move towards stripping the control of your file system to some dumbed down version aking to iOS and iCloud document storage. It'd be a very very sad day.
Anyhow... to the original topic and Gruber's reply... I really hope that even if he's right, they will bring it back in another revision. Small but when the rest of OSX still follows the rule of double click to minimize as a global option it only serves to make Apple look lazy and stupid IMO. I think they tried something like this before... as well as with stacking the window control buttons before changing back to the original horizontal layout.
Minimize iTunes 11 window?
