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  • Saki GT Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)


    energy medicine wrote:

     

    Suzanne, Maybe this is just a rushed job to update I-tunes and it will get better! Apple is a class act and they will out do many in this TECH AGE! All BEST  ENERGY MEDICINE!!!!!!!

    Well, was a class act, at least.  There is a growing list of bad design in its products.  If you look at how the action buttons have been spread out in iTunes 11, and how they change behavior, or even visibility based on views, its a design mess.

  • Saki GT Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    revone wrote:

     

    I just bought a compact Samsung BD-E5400 Blu-ray player with WiFi (for netflix) opposed to another apple TV, and I'm getting a WD N900 2T router opposed to a time capsule. It's amazing how easy it is to find comparably equipped, lower priced products once you remove Apple’s software from of the equation.

     

    Yeah, just this weekend I pushed someone away from an AppleTV - told them to go with a Roku instead.  Same price (or cheaper), no system lock-in.  Better yet, no need to use iTunes 11.

  • Saki GT Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    SilvaLazarus wrote:

     

    Trying to help people that I see have the same dilemas as I have... I have been testing several apps available, trying to have a similar enjoyable experience as we all had with iTunes 10.

    iTunes 11 simply ruined my previous enjoyable experience with the iTunes ecosystem, which was also what convinced me to invest in purchasing music in the online store instead of CDs which are very hard to find these days.

    After spending already more than 100 euros on several apps I am sad to report that nothing replaces the previous iTunes 10.7 experience...

    On top of my priority list was offcourse the music artwork.

    I have setup artwork for individual tracks on all compilations over the years and that was the way I looked for music with Coverflow.

    But I desperatly need the sorting of "Albums by Artist" with artcover, otherwhise nothing works for me.

    I have installed the original CoverFlow app (free), but there is no integration with iTunes (you can play albums and songs but you need to jump between iTunes and CoverFlow all the time). Also, as was already pointed some album art does not load. Nice to have anyway.

     

    Of all others I downloaded/bought Decibel was the best, simply because it made me realise my iTunes Library could sound so much better. All my tracks are AAC 256kbps but Decibel makes those sound like uncompressed just by oversampling. Nice. Unfortunately, Decibel is like iTunes 11 - it looks like an Excel sheet and it doesn't support nice artwork display.

     

    CoverSutra - Another nice one. Cheap on iTunes Store and it brings a few extra controls which are nice, good search without bugs and it keeps covers and all info available all the time without being in the way like that annoying iTunes cover floating window. CoverSutra is the Mini Player that iTunes should have had a long time.

     

    And thats it...

    Everything else is just simplified versions of iTunes and we all know by now that we already got it with iTunes 11.

    Anyway, all this process is making me feel sick because of the fact that my "magical experience" I always had with Apple is gone... as well as my trust on the company itself.

    With iTunes 11 I was expecting a better integration with the store itself, allowing for more music streaming before purchasing and more integration with info provided by the artist themselves.

    I don't have Pandora and Spotify where I live, so I was expecting Apple to integrate that exact type of function within the iTunes store.

    Yes, Ping was not great, but I was expecting that to be replaced with Facebook integration as promised.

    Artists and bands would worship Apple for that alone...

    Finnaly I was expecting that iTunes 11 would finally bring some sort of authoring format support (like iBooks Author) allowing for better album art integration within iTunes (open with preview is simply pathetic...)

     

    It clearly shows that Steve Jobs was the only person who fully understood what users wanted and he was always working towards that goal. Remember when Jobs brought iTunes LP and extended album art? It never got integrated in iTunes as it should and now we know it will never will, because the people messing with this software simply don't get it... They probably have their own cheap plastic MP3 players full of stolen mp3 files from Torrents anyway...

    You can look at Songbird and Doubletwist - both at least show album art in the bottom-left or bottom of the screens.

  • Drew Reece (Re:co) Level 2 Level 2 (310 points)

    scottincastrovalley wrote:

     

    "Option command S" solved my problem!   I couldnt figure out how to put a playlist on my iphone for a half an hour.  Thank you!

    You should just be able to start dragging songs & the sidebar will appear (if it is hidden already). Seems like a 'non obvoius' feature to me.

  • ToneMonkey Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I've been giving this whole thing a bunch more thought... something I have the luxury of doing now that I've rescued my music collection from iTunes 11.

     

    It seems to me that myopia is a big part of what's going on here... I bet that the Apple QA only used source files from the iTunes store to test this POS. Anything downloaded from the store is going to have art and reasonably accurate metadata. So in that context, lack of solid management features in iTunes 11 wouldn't seem like a big deal. And for most folks it might not be.

     

    It seems like a lot of us on this thread have music collections that look much different than that. I for one refuse to pay even a plug nickel for lossy crap audio files from the store. I just won't do it. Yes, I am one of those folks who downloads, primarily because no one is willing to sell me the music I want in the format I want to listen to it (but that's a whole other discussion).

     

    When I rip a CD, I use an external app with better error checking than the iTunes import feature. This means that being able to square up my metadata and art is critical for me. iTunes 11 has made this extremely painful. I now have to define a custom temporary playlist for each album I import in order to be able to see the metadata (the new album and artist views don't cut it). That's a total PITA but I can still get it done. If Apple brings back show duplicates, I can probably limp along with it.

     

    There's also a definite dumbing-down of the tech experience related to the emergance of tablets. Tablets are great passive read-only entertainment devices, but terrible if you have to write or create anything new. Same thing with iTunes 11, which is slanted aggressively toward passively playing music you buy from the iTunes store at the expense of managing a music collection that may or may not originate from the iTunes store. I'm sure that's somewhat intentional. Look for iTunes to get progressively dumber over time as Apple caters to the masses who just want to be passively entertained at the expense of creative types who desire great tools.

     

    This is definitely the final straw for me. I'm looking for the exit door from the Apple ecosystem. I won't be buying any new Apple products. I hope that during the next 5 years or so that someone else steps forward (likely Google) who can at least provide a minimalist ecosystem that will let my family share a common address book and calendar without a lot of futzing around or inconvnient errors and bugs (no, Google ain't there yet).

     

    Apple reminds me a lot of Sony in the 1980s. They were the premier "entertainment gadget" company back then and they had a lot of branding power. Now? Not so much. This is all natural and somewhat predictable. Companies have lifecycles. Microsoft, IBM and others have all also enjoyed their day in the sun. No one stays on top forever. I certainly would not be buying Apple stock at this point, unless it gets hammered further, and then only as a short-term trade. The easy money has been made at Apple. It now acts like the fat, dumb and happy elder statesman that it is. Don't expect innovation or even competence from these guys. You won't get it. Stick a fork in them... they're done as a force of innovation and imagination.

     

    My .02; YMMV.

  • woodmeister50 Level 5 Level 5 (4,045 points)

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    This is definitely the final straw for me. I'm looking for the exit door from the Apple ecosystem. I won't be buying any new Apple products. I hope that during the next 5 years or so that someone else steps forward (likely Google) who can at least provide a minimalist ecosystem that will let my family share a common address book and calendar without a lot of futzing around or inconvnient errors and bugs (no, Google ain't there yet).

     

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    Your right about Google and Android.  But what else is there?

    The joke that is Windows 8?  Linux?

     

    Pretty much everyone out there is putting out trash. expecting the

    masses to just lap up what is dished out.

  • SilvaLazarus Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    Hi Saki

     

    I had forgot about Songbird since when it was announced...

    Actually you are right in the fact that it has a lot of features missing now on iTunes 11, like a good web integration and recommendations.

    Unfortunately it is still a slow and somehow unrevliable app on Mac OS X.

    I just tried to resize the artcover on the bottom left and it started to behave very strange with black shapes appearing around the application window...

    Anyway, I am giving it a go for more time.

    But is sad since Songbird just basically reminds you of how good iTunes 10.X was already... until 11 arrived.

     

    Doubletwist - a waste of time.

    Brings nothing new and it looks like a small part of iTunes.

    On Mac OS at least.

     

    So far the best solution I find was combining the CoverSutra app with iTunes 11 (iTunes stays in the background so you don't even have to look at it...)

  • Saki GT Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm really hoping for something like Musicbee - its Windows only, but Macs can run Windows now...

  • Saki GT Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    woodmeister50 wrote:

     

    .......

    This is definitely the final straw for me. I'm looking for the exit door from the Apple ecosystem. I won't be buying any new Apple products. I hope that during the next 5 years or so that someone else steps forward (likely Google) who can at least provide a minimalist ecosystem that will let my family share a common address book and calendar without a lot of futzing around or inconvnient errors and bugs (no, Google ain't there yet).

     

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    Your right about Google and Android.  But what else is there?

    The joke that is Windows 8?  Linux?

     

    Pretty much everyone out there is putting out trash. expecting the

    masses to just lap up what is dished out.

    For me at least, it would start with a Galaxy S III vs iPhone 5.

  • Jamming80s Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This is a Big Fat Fail!  I am tired of new iTunes versions completely screwing up my library and my settings.  An update is something that fixes or enhances, not changes everything around and removes your hard efforts to use the product.  I have lost all my settings, my iPod touch 4 can no longer be seen in column browser view, it cleared my encoding preferences and I clicked on some button and it lost the connection to my ipod. 

     

    I am not sure why who is running the itunes update process but they need to find someone that will stop screwing everyones hard work up and maintain the basic functionality that a "media player" application, we have been using for years, stays the consistent.  Nothing is more frustrating then trying to update your iPod or iPhone with the latest podcast or album (etc) and it becomes a giant frustrating process that takes hours to figure out what you were already doing without any issues.

     

    Sorry for the rant , but this is rediculious behavior for a company that supposably prides itself on ease of use and painless upgrades.  I am going to down grade so I can get back the functionality I lost.

     

    Cheers!

  • MyMac8MyPC Level 4 Level 4 (1,450 points)

    woodmeister50 wrote:

    But what else is there? The joke that is Windows 8?  Linux?

     

    Pretty much everyone out there is putting out trash. expecting the

    masses to just lap up what is dished out.

    Yep, everyone thinks the grass is greener on the other side, until they get to the other side. For me android is not the answer. At least iOS doesn't have virus's and malware. I left windows for that reason, and I'm not going back. Plenty of people also complaining about androids own set of problems (http://www.zdnet.com/android-too-complex-for-its-own-good-7000008535/?s_cid=e539). iTunes will get fixed, but it's a shame that it was damaged in the first place.

  • marginalt Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Copy that for sure . If it isn't broken why fix it ?

    As I am not  Digitally savvy enough yet to  downgrade back to iTunes 10 do I dare connect my iPhone 4 to my mac to load up some new music ?  The iPhone is still showing cover flow now and I don't want to risk losing it .

    Your advice would be much appreciated .  CIAO

  • woodmeister50 Level 5 Level 5 (4,045 points)

    As far as cover flow on the iPhone, it is safe for the moment

    (next iOS update/upgrade may kill it).  As far as connecting

    it and syncing it with iTunes 11, I think the jury is still out on

    that.  There have been some folks with issues.

  • Drew Reece (Re:co) Level 2 Level 2 (310 points)

    ToneMonkey wrote:

     

    This is definitely the final straw for me. I'm looking for the exit door from the Apple ecosystem. I won't be buying any new Apple products. I hope that during the next 5 years or so that someone else steps forward (likely Google) who can at least provide a minimalist ecosystem that will let my family share a common address book and calendar without a lot of futzing around or inconvnient errors and bugs (no, Google ain't there yet).

     

     

    Are you sure about Google? Take a look at Google apps for business. It has shared contacts across users on your 'domain' ideally you have a single web domain to use for the family, but it can work without that (it just has longer URL's). It used to be free but no it has gone paid only, it may be worth contacting them to see how cheaply that can do a small account, or ask if they do family based alternatives.

    http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/

     

    It may not be a perfect fit, but then who does iCloud fit - single users who are into 'anti-social' networking.

    Other providers also do contact & calendar syncing with email & domain management packages.

     

    Address Book on 10.6.8 has a built in 'sharing' feature that allows you to let others see & potentially edit the contacts. Check the preferences on your OS's version of Address Book/ Contacts. I think this is limited to the local network.

     

    Another reliable 'Mac way' to share the info is using an OS X server to manage a local domain that the users can subscribe to. You get a lot of control (like remote device erase, security policies & the sharing features) at the expense of a lot of cost & setup. I don't think I should encourage you to set up a server for this, considering Apple's recent 'throw at wall & see what sticks' software release strategy.

     

    I hope iCloud will eventually recreate some of features Apple deleted from MobileMe, but the progress so far has been very slow. They do however seem to be able to quickly churn out pretty but increasingly less functional software, I think this was described accurately by Tim Cook as 'Apple's laser focus'. Personally I hope they will make more functional and well rounded software. The iTunes bloat could have been addressed if they moved syncing out into iSync years ago, but they killed that app instead.

  • ToneMonkey Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm pretty sure. I've tried at least three times to get Google to work as a sync conduit. While it seems to work OK for a day or two, but eventually I end up with tons of duplicate entries. I always end up blowing everything away and reimporting a single copy from backup.

     

    The problem with all these solutions is that they don't support heterogenous environments well. Each solution wants to be "top dog" and each is oblivious to others. I have an Apple environment at home, MS Exchange at work, etc.

     

    One would think that software developers would be smart enough to respect other product's namespace, but that is apparently NOT the case. The solution would be to prefix all database entries with a unique character string denoting application of origin (e.g., "MSEX" for Exchange, "ICAL" for iCalender, etc.). The exact string wouldn't matter (integers would also work) as long was they were unique. This is similar to what MIDI had to do to keep each manufacturer's sysex messages from corrupting other manufacturer's devices. However, right now each development team myopically believes that only their product will be used, so they don't bother, which makes these sorts of products unusable for anyone who cannot maintain ecosystem purity.

     

    As with most things software, if you just read the marcom claims and don't kick the tires too aggressively, it's all great.

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