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  • 45. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    Steve Zodiac Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Yikes! I think I'm even more confused now than I was before...

     

    On balance, I think I agree with you Roger.

     

    In version 10 I could simply click the shuffle button at the bottom of the playlist column, and whatever playlist was highlighted in that column was shuffled. (Yeah, with the first column in the right pane highlighted.)

     

    I could SEE the list shuffled, and I could even see what order the first dozen or more tracks in the playlist would play in. If nothing else, this was a reassuring state of affairs, and like you I cannot fathom why Apple would have taken it away. I could then repeat the process for each playlist I wanted to sync shuffled. (I don't want all my lists shuffled, just the ones I choose.)

     

    Version 10 worked, but as far as I'm concerned, version 11 simply doesn't. I shan't be upgrading to 11 again in a hurry.

     

    Thanks for your input Chris, but I cannot work out what you mean. It's probably me being dumb, but I can't get it to work how you decribe.

  • 46. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    RogerOut Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)

    Steve, sounds like you've been using shuffle like I have.  In essence, I'm really using the shuffle feature (in v.10) to create albums mixes.  I'd bundle all the songs from an artist from several albums into a single playlist, then shuffle the songs.  As you said, you can see the shuffle result in 10 but not in 11.  In fact, there doesn't seem to be anyway to shuffle in 11 the way we did in 10. 

     

    I'm really ****** about this because it tells me the developers have NO clue how people use iTunes.  That, or they just don't care.  Either way we get screwed.

     

    And Chris, when I said convoluted and stupid, I was venting at Apple, not you.  I appreciate the input, but there is really no excuse for Apple to do what they did.  They fired some key people recently.  More need to be canned.  The truth is, crap rolls downhill - it starts at the top.  Apple has become too big, it's like trying to deal with AT&T.  The worker bees do their best, but the beast is a monster and it has a momentum all it's own.  This began before Jobs passed away, it may not be anyone's fault other than the company has become too large.

     

    And if that's the case, we're really screwed because it will only get worse. Apple looks destined to become bigger than ever...

  • 47. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    kazech Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for pointing out your misery also Steve! I just pulled my 30G ipod out of my truck and updated it with itunes 11. I then noticed that all of my playlists are now, no longer shuffled! And no ability to shuffle them in my ipod!

     

    I may need to roll back to iTunes 10 to fix the issue, which will irk me even more...

     

    Apple REALLY needs to put the playlist shuffle/save feature back in to iTunes!!!!

  • 48. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (74,870 points)

    kazech wrote:

     

    Thanks for pointing out your misery also Steve! I just pulled my 30G ipod out of my truck and updated it with itunes 11. I then noticed that all of my playlists are now, no longer shuffled! And no ability to shuffle them in my ipod!

    Why not simpy turn on Shuffle?

  • 49. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    Steve Zodiac Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Chris CA wrote:

     

    Why not simpy turn on Shuffle?

     

    Yes, of course there is a shuffle facility on iPods. And for simple, two-dozen tracks or so, playlists this is clearly a solution.

     

    But it isn't the solution for very large playlists. Of course it will still shuffle them, but consider this:-

     

    I have a playlist comprising most of my favourite tracks. It has approximately 1200 tracks in it and, when pre-shuffled in iTunes 10, we can play part of it one evening, (it's like listening to a radio station that only plays the music you like), and then return to it where we left off the next evening. In this way the one pre-shuffled playlist lasts us weeks, if not months. It is the way I use iTunes and iPod most of the time.

     

    Of course, in between playing that playlist one also occasionally wants to hear complete albums, or works, in the correct order. That means turning shuffle off on the iPod. Still no problem.

     

    But when I then go back to the favourite tracks playlist, I need to turn the iPod shuffle back on again. The problem is that the list is now re-shuffled in a different order again. It is thus impossible to resume the list where one left off, and because of this one never gets to hear the whole list.

  • 50. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    RogerOut Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)

    Chris CA wrote:

     

    kazech wrote:

     

    Thanks for pointing out your misery also Steve! I just pulled my 30G ipod out of my truck and updated it with itunes 11. I then noticed that all of my playlists are now, no longer shuffled! And no ability to shuffle them in my ipod!

    Why not simpy turn on Shuffle?

     

    I'm going from memory here, so bear with me.  Here's the regression of play list shuffle in iTunes.

     

    Features:

    1. Ability to shuffle each play list  separately and the list would remain in that particular order until it  was re-shuffled by the user 

    2. Playing a shuffled play list did NOT re-shuffle the list.  You had to manually reshuffle

    3. In preferences, you could set how agressive the shuffle algorithm worked, using a slide adjustment

    4. Ability to shuffle each play list separately and the list would remain in that particular order until it was manually re-shuffled by the user OR the play list was played, which caused the list to reshuffle (freakin' annoying by this time)

    5. Playlists no longer shuffle in any way.  Shuffle now becomes a library-wide playback control feature only. 

     

    Version 8: included features 1, 2, and 3.

     

    Version 9: included features 1 and 2. #3 is removed.

     

    Version 10: included feature 4 only.

     

    Version 11: feature #5 only. 

     

    Welcome to the dumbing down of playlist shuffle into oblivion.

  • 51. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    MAJIC44 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Chris CA, you've been very helpful EXCEPT the one part you keep saying to do (click on the column all the way to the left, with the numbers) doesn't work or do anything on iTunes 11, as others have said. Someone had previously suggested creating a smart playlist with all of the songs from the regular playlist you wanted to shuffle, then shuffle that and click on the left column to get the shuffled order (then you could select all and drag to a regular playlist) but it appears that apple has taken that feature out of even the smart playlists section.

  • 52. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (74,870 points)

    MAJIC44 wrote:

     

    Chris CA, you've been very helpful EXCEPT the one part you keep saying to do (click on the column all the way to the left, with the numbers) doesn't work or do anything on iTunes 11

    Yes, I have now noticed this.

    I don't use iTunes 11 regularly but I have it installed to check things out.

  • 53. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    RogerOut Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)

    Chris CA wrote:

     

    kazech wrote:

     

    Thanks for pointing out your misery also Steve! I just pulled my 30G ipod out of my truck and updated it with itunes 11. I then noticed that all of my playlists are now, no longer shuffled! And no ability to shuffle them in my ipod!

    Why not simpy turn on Shuffle?

     

    The question should be, why change the existing shuffle capabilities in the first place, going all the way back to version 8?  As time has moved forward, they've removed some features and added others.  It seems to me that Apple is now interested ONLY in getting you to do two things:

     

    1. Buy music and movies.  iTunes is a store front first and a database management program fifth.  Not sure what else it is between 1 and 5, but it's not to be a helpful application except as a bloated store browser.  And with 11, even the store browsing is worse.  So much for latest and greatest.

     

    2. Get you dependant on cloud storage.  It's the killer app, a service that becomes more valuable the more you use it.  Or put another way, get you dependant using  Apple's cloud because it's too hard to move to another service or paradigm.   Look at the other big players.  Microsoft, with W8, is trying to get you addicted to their cloud, as is Amazon.  Everyone wants you hooked, by the balls.

     

    Having done a fair amount of beta testing myself, I have to wonder who the **** does the higher level beta testing?  Usability testing? Consistency? Font selection? It's a big list.  And no one seems to be doing it.  Or maybe it's just some dumb 20-something who thinks he knows how things should be - but hasn't a clue.

     

    So, I noticed that some of my play lists stayed shuffled and others didn't when I updated to 11.  Who missed that "feature" in beta testing?  Still, play list shuffling is buh bye.  What a joke.

  • 54. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    AwesomeEric Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    There is a way, but it's not intuitive:

     

    1. Create a new Smart Playlist

    2. Define your rule as:  Playlist > is > (select the playlist you want to randomize)

    3. Check the "Limit" box and set the line to the number of songs in your playlist > items > random

    4. Click OK

    5. New playlist created, sorted by "artist"

    6. Organize the song numbers (first column)

    7. Result:  Randomized playlist that used to take one click of a button.

     

    Haven't tried syncing this to an ipod yet.

  • 55. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    kazech Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi Eric, That doesn't work for me. I would have to create a new playlist each time to randomize it. I need to be able to randomize my CURRENT playlist and save it. Then save that randomized playlist to my iPod. The player in my truck will only recognize 6 playlists that have a specific name. With iTunes 11, that randomize/save feature is now gone...

     

    I used to be able to "shuffle" and save my playlist each time I "played" it. Apple, please bring back the ability to save a randomized list.

  • 56. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    AwesomeEric Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm curious how that wouldn't work for you.  I was able to sync the new randomized playlist to my ipod and it stayed in the new random order. 

     

    So, say you have your original playlist...A.  Go through the steps I outlined to create a new randomized playlist...B.  You wouldn't have to drag-and-drop a new playlist each time, just go through the smart playlist rules.  Get rid of playlist A and sync B...or just keep them both and sync just the one you want on your iPod. 

     

    I agree, it would be easier if they'd just restore the original functionality, but there is a work-around. 

  • 57. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    firp Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yes, that's the same workaround I've been using, and it works. The only step you missed was this: When you sync a smart playlist to an iPod, it always sorts by artist in the iPod. Instead, you have to make another new playlist (normal, not smart) with manual sort on. Then copy your shuffled songs into the new playlist. When you sync that playlist it stays shuffled.

     

    It's really stupid to have to do that much work to shuffle it. I use another app to play my music that doesn't have a shuffle feature so I need my playlists to be shuffled before hand. The app allows me to play music behind my audiobooks and podcasts - another feature apple should allow.

  • 58. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    MadPriestX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Create new smart playlist.

    Uncheck "Match the folowing rule" option.

    Check "Limit to" option

    Limit to more tracks than you have in your library

    In box after "selected by" choose random

    Press OK

     

    On itunes window click on your new smart list.

    Click on the box at the top immediately above the numbers, left of the check box and the "Name" box

    You should now have a randomised playlist

     

    Now create a new ordinary play list

     

    Go back to your smart playlist and select all

    Right click and select "Add to Playlist"

    Select your new ordinary playlist

     

    Go to your new ordinary playlist and you will see all the tracks from your smart playlist

    On your ordinary playlist click on the box at the top above the numbers

    You should now have a fixed, shuffled, ordinary playlist that you can delete from.

     

    What you cannot do is add to the list and then shuffle

    You have to add new tracks to your library and go through all the steps above again, deleting your previous ordinary playlist when you have done so


    I use the comments box to add details of which tracks I've recorded so that I don't burn them again when I have to create a new playlist

     

    You can delete the smart playlist as soon as you have created the shuffled ordinary playlist

  • 59. Re: Is it no longer possible to create shuffled playlists in iTunes 11?
    Jp Cooper Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    Another slight variation on a themre here.  I did not read through all 4 pages of content in this thread.

     

    But the gist of my issue is that I want a visible reordering of an existing Playlist (in iTunes) when I select Shuffle.  As this occured in previous versions of iTunes (v10 and lower).

     

    In iTunes 11 the List stays in the order it was set up in and the Song selection jumps up and down the list.  The only portion that you can actually track is the drop down in the Header panel for the "Up Next" feature.  This is crap as it only shows aprox. the next 20 songs.  The History option is even worse.  As is bundles the previous tracks that have been played from all over - whether you sampled something from the iTMS or several songs in your shuffled List or songs from a different List or Device.

     

    There is no visual for the randomly created order of the List.

     

    Apple you are failing more and more every time you implement something new.  Less is more only works to a certain point and ultimately we do not want a single button that perform 5000 tasks no matter how naive you wish to think your customers are.