14 Replies Latest reply: Jan 4, 2013 7:02 PM by Marcom45
rwill1960 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Im trying to use an Airport extreme and an Airport express to have good Wifi coverage in a house. The current Wifi is from a Verizon Westfall modem/router. I went into setup on the modem/router and disabled the wifi, then connected the Extreme to one of the 4 ports on the modem/router. I setup the Extreme in bridge mode ( because I believe I dont want 2 differnt routers handing out local IP's, right? . Anyway, it seems to work fine but I'm trying now to hook up an Express to widen my wifi area. I have cat5 ports all over the house that go back to the Exteme's location so its not a problem to connect the Extreme to the Express via ethernet cable. Im wondering if its possible to use the Express hardwired to the extreme while in Bridge mode because I cant seem to set it up properly. Can anyone out there answer that question and/or give me instructions on setting up this scenerio.

Thanks!

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (89,795 points)
    I setup the Extreme in bridge mode ( because I believe I dont want 2 differnt routers handing out local IP's, right?

     

    Normally, that is correct.

     

    Im wondering if its possible to use the Express hardwired to the extreme while in Bridge mode because I cant seem to set it up properly.

    This should definitely work just fine. I haven't used a Westell product for this, but Cisco, Netgear, 2-Wire, and ActionTec work just fine this way.

     

    We need to ask a few questions to understand how to provide the correct setup instructions.

     

    Is the AirPort Extreme the "square" 802.11n version of the product?

     

    Do you have a "new" AirPort Express or a previous generation model?

     

    What operating system....Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion etc....is installed on the Mac that you are using to configure things?

  • rwill1960 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    thanks for the response. These are brand new products, bought them at the Apple store 3 days ago. the extreme is an 802.11N, the big square one. and brand new express.... I'm setting it up with the Airport utility on my windows vista laptop. I also was using the airport utility on my Iphone (with newest osi)

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (89,795 points)

    Thanks, so that I understand......the AirPort Extreme is setup and working OK now, correct?

     

    Temporarily, disconnect the Ethernet cable that is going to the AirPort Express and connect it to your laptop. Turn off wireless on the laptop and check to make sure that you can get an Internet connection. This will confirm that the Ethernet cable is working correctly. Confirm on that.

     

    Also, with the Express powered up, hold in the reset button on the back of the device for 9-10 seconds and then release. Allow a full minute for the Express to restart, but do not connect it to the Ethernet cable yet.

  • rwill1960 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Im actually doing this stuff for someboy else and I will be going there tomorrow to try and solve this. I understand the testing the cable..good idea, although I was doing all this setup with everything together at the Extreme's location using good 6 ft patch cables, I was going to get everything set up then move the express where I needed it. The Extreme is working fine, I disconnected the express cause I couldnt get it to work right. I will reset it like you said and then I should have the cable from the Extreme going to witch port on the express? stupid question, I know...and then I will set it up as "extending a wireless network, right? Also, When finished, I want it all to appear as one network because I think when I was trying to set all this up the other day at one point i could see the express but you had to log into it seperatly, know what I mean?...thanks

  • alanoconnor Level 2 Level 2 (180 points)

    i would configure the westell as a bridge mode modem, dhcp disabled.....

    then would setup the airport extreme as the local dhcp router,but the extreme wan settings woud be ppoe

    Screen Shot 2012-12-03 at 8.26.07 PM copy.png

  • rwill1960 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    that was what I was going to do originally but I started to do that to the westfall and it seemed like it might be a pain in the *** if for some reason I needed to change it back. I didnt want to get in over my head. I've bridged modem routers before but this seemed a little complicated for me.  was hoping the exteme and express would work ok somehow this way. by the way in your example above what is the account name and password referring to? the verizon router?

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (89,795 points)

    I will reset it like you said and then I should have the cable from the Extreme going to witch port on the express?

    WAN "O" port

     

    To set up the Express, open AirPort Utility, click on the Express and click Manual Setup

     

    Click the Base Station tab just below the icons to assign a device name for the Express, device password, adjust Time Zone, etc. Should look like this, in general:

     

     

    Screen Shot 2012-12-03 at 7.39.21 PM.png

     

    Click the Wireless tab next to Base Station. Adjust as follows:

     

    Wireless Mode = Create a wireless network

    Wireless Network Name = Exact same wireless network name as the AirPort Extreme

    Enter check mark next to Allow to be extended

    Radio Mode = Automatic or same setting as the AirPort Extreme

    Channel = Automatic

    Wireless Security = Exact same setting as the AirPort Extreme

    Wireless Password = Same wireless password as the AirPort Extreme

    Verify Password

     

    Setting should look like this, in general:

     

    Screen Shot 2012-12-03 at 7.45.29 PM.png

     

     

    Click the Internet icon, then click the Internet Connection tab.

    Connect Using = Ethernet.

    Connection Sharing = Off (Bridge Mode)

    Click Update to save settings

     

    Things will look like this:

     

     

    Screen Shot 2012-12-03 at 7.48.26 PM.png

     

    You will see a green light in 25-30 seconds.

     

    Be sure to restart the entire network.

  • rwill1960 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks Bob, ill give it a shot, I really appreciate all your detailed help!

  • alanoconnor Level 2 Level 2 (180 points)

    rwill1960 wrote:

     

    that was what I was going to do originally but I started to do that to the westfall and it seemed like it might be a pain in the *** if for some reason I needed to change it back. I didnt want to get in over my head. I've bridged modem routers before but this seemed a little complicated for me.  was hoping the exteme and express would work ok somehow this way. by the way in your example above what is the account name and password referring to? the verizon router?

    When you configure the Westell device for simple bridge mode operation, it will no longer provide the PPPoE connection credentials, so you will need to setup the PPPoE connection on the AirPort Extreme.

     

    AirPort Utility

    Click the Internet tab

    Connect Using = PPPoE

     

    Enter your ISP user name...(probably your email address).... and password

     

    Internet Options:........Connection = Always On

     

     

    Update to save settings

     

    Power down the entire network

    Wait a moment or two

    Start the modem first, let it run a minute or two by itself

    Start the AirPort Extreme next the same way

    Continue starting devices one at a time about a minutes apart until everything is powered back up

  • rwill1960 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    thanks

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (89,795 points)

    Glad that this helped, but puzzled as to why you marked your response as the correct answer. 

  • rwill1960 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    i dont know what im doing, this is the first time Ive posted on one of these Forums...I read em all the time, just never have posted. Anyway, bottom line is I did just what you recommended and it worked quick and easy! Thanks...

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10 (89,795 points)

    The idea would be to hopefully mark the post with the best answer, so you know next time. Thanks.

  • Marcom45 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Bob - I have the same configuration and issue at rwill - with one difference - I want to use the Express to WIRELESSLY (no Ethernet cable - too far away from Extreme) extend my network.  Since Extreme is in bridge mode and my Verizon router is serving the IP addresses to my network, how can I do this?

     

    I tried the following so far:

    - Reset Express

    - Connected it to LAN port on Extreme via Ethernet

    - Powered on Extreme

    - After Solid yellow light, got flashing yellow light which stayed that way.

    - Opened up AirPort Utility v. 6.1, hoping the magic software would diagnose the problem and configure the Express, no luck.

     

    Any ideas?

     

    Thanks

    -Marcom45