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MacBook Pro Retina 13' HDMI Problem

Hi all,


Two weeks ago I discovered a problem with the HDMI output on my external monitor (LG IPS 234) when connected to a MacBook Pro Retina 13'. The monitor wasn't able to display greyscale information. E.g. the underlying greyscales of a Google preview search suggestion when hovering a mouse over the suggestions. Also the whole monitor display looked washed out and fuzzy. I thought it would be a problem with the monitor, so I hauled it back to the store. We checked the monitor with a MBPR 15' and everything was fine (screens not in sync - important see below). I started thinking the new 13' MBPR might be the issue. But before leaving the store and blaming my MBPR 13' we checked out another 13' MBPR and (supprise!) the same effect again. To double check we tried another external monitor from Samsung (ok, I know if Samsung is not working with an Apple MBPR...). But seriously... The same effect again.


I contacted the Apple support and after discussing this with the 1st level (with little helpful tips ... SMB reset etc.) I was forwarded to the 2nd level. The guy wasn't able to help me either. He blamed my monitor and that it might need a firmware update. The problem could be linked with some incompatible HDCP. But a firmware update can only be done by the monitor vendor or a service partner and LG doesn't even indicate that this is possible at all.


Now my question is, does anybody else experience problems with external IPS displays and the MBPR 13'?


As I said, we tested it with 2 different MBPR 13' and 2 monitors from different vendors. In each combination the same problem. Always the same effect. For me this is an indication that there might be a bigger problem under the surface.


Kird


PS: a friend with a MPBR 15' has the same effect but only when the internal and the external IPS monitor is in sync


PS: the Apple 2nd level support promised me to give me a call regarding further steps to solve the problem (with a fixed date on Monday this week) ... They never called... Poor service Apple!

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2)

Posted on Dec 5, 2012 12:08 PM

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Dec 23, 2012 5:12 AM in response to Kird

I received a call from Apple support on Friday the 14. They were asking if it might be possible to send in my new MPBR 13' for further lab testing. As soon as my notebook would arrive in their lab they would send me a new one in return!


What kind of service is that? I am surely willing to support these guys - I know that you sometimes need help from your customers to solve issues - but:


1) I would expect to receive an exchange devise before I am going to mail in my "old" one - especially due to the fact that this notebook is in professional service. I am willing to erase all my personal stuff and install it again on a new one. I am not willing to wait (and maybe gamble) that someone is sending a new device back on time


2) Apple care doesn't seem to help - I have it and the only response of the guy on the phone was: "sorry, that's the procedure" - serious question: what's Apple care for beside a basic guaranty extension?


3) Apple support promised me to call back as I refused to send in my device without further receiving a new one to discuss the follow up. Again no one called back till today (more than a week later)


That's not poor service - that's very poor service!


Kird


PS:


Apple announced the EFI update on Dec. 18. This update was supposed to solve an issue with the HDMI output. Unfortunately it didn't help with the above mentioned problem.


Apple, I thought my first impression with your service was just bad luck... Now I am not so sure anymore...

Jan 8, 2013 1:22 PM in response to Kird

It started with HDMI - an odyssey...


Wrote Appel an email last week. Not a complaint. Just a neutral question regarding the HDMI case. I also included my ticket number (issued in Nov. 2012) with the request to send me a brief update about the status.


Guess what, nothing happened. No email, no call - silence.


This reminded me of a paragraph in a book I recently read. "The Mesh" from Lisa Gansky: "When a customer has truly bought into a brand, the company will be the first to learn when something goes wrong" - right in my case, I called, mailed and chatted with Apple.


"Customer's loyalty translates into their willingness to give the company a chance to make it right" - well... I think I did to, not exactly in the way Apple wanted me to (sending in my Laptop and then receive a new one - I wanted to do it the other way around) but I tried to balance out the restrictions on both sides.


"They exercise their right to complain often, hoping that their trusted brand will step up and fulfill their expectation. At that point, there's another chance to wow them by resolving the issue promptly and well - to make them feel smart and back in the trust boat again". Ahhh... Apple sorry to let you know, you missed it.


And now I am on my odyssey from a "bought in customer", over someone who's "loyalty is fading" to a state where disappointment makes room for a Lack of understanding and trust.


I have learned, that by Lisa Gansky's definition Apple is not a Mesh Business.


To be continued...

Jan 24, 2013 7:48 AM in response to Kird

Hi Krid!

Any news regarding your HDMI problem?

Unfortunately I have the same problem without any idea to fix it. I have tested 2 HDMI cables, 1 HDMI to Thunderbolt cable an 2 different displays...

Next Monday I have an appointment at the Genius Bar.. I think they will treat me like a noob 🙂


Daniel

Jan 24, 2013 1:58 PM in response to Danmoe

Hello Daniel,


I gave Apple a call last week and asked for a feedback on my ticket. The guy I talked to at least tried to help me with the issue. In the meantime since my last attempt to receive something from Apple nothing has happened on the issue. Surprise! So we started from 0 again... Ok... Bought in customer with a decent pain level...


I received some test tools from the guy that I ran on the MPPR creating an encrypted file (...yes I can imagine what you think and I can assure you I had similar thoughts...) and mailed this stuff back to Apple. Now that they have insight of my whole digital live (ok I distend it a bit, but in reply to my question what's all included in this file the guy mentioned something like "don't worry only technical stuff..." Ah yea... That's why it is encrypted... You might find an info about a malfunction in the HDMI inside... very confident... Ok... What you all do for a chance of solving an HDMI problem).


So the current status is: Apple engineers are spending nights in the office to dig into whatever this tools squeezed out of my innocent MacBook. You see I have reached a state where I am slowly drifting into sarcasm ;-)


The guy mentioned there might ! be a patch coming with the next release if Apple finds the issue important enough ! and ! enough other customers have the problem as well. And on this I am not kidding. That's what he said.


Hmm... Will 3 customers be enough? I doubt it... We'll find out with the next release. Maybe we can increase the complains from release to release and empirically estimate when Apple starts taking customers seriously.


My personal guess is that they will dismount the HDMI port and send us an aluminum plug that fits perfectly in the hole. I have a flashback... There was once an issue with an antenna and they offered a piece of plastic to...


I am getting carried away so I better stop now :-) and return to my wine


Let's stay in touch if you find out something on the GB


Kird

Jan 29, 2013 4:45 AM in response to Kird

Hi Kird,


yesterday I had my appointment at the GB with NO results. The Apple staff told me that I have to wait for the next update.. 😕 What a pity about the time I spent there.

So far, do you have experience with Windows on your MBP? My feeling about the quality on the external display is better than the quality by using OS X. But this is no solution for myself 😁


Regards,

Daniel

Jan 31, 2013 11:40 AM in response to Danmoe

Hello Daniel,


Not really, I am running other OS in VMWare but due to the routing through OS X for the output there is no difference for my installations.


And as you said, Microsoft Win is not an option for me in general. Otherwise we would have bought the plastic shoe boxes from I.., D... or A...


It is unbelievable... I really like the products, and still think that OS X is in general a good OS. But the way they treat customer problems concerns me. Usually this is a sign of decline. And looking at the press coverage of Apple and the latest developments of the stock...


I am willing to wait till something is fixed. knowing that it takes some time to solve a problem and integrate a fix into the general release cycle. But not being informed and forced to chase status updates is simply poor poor service.


Maybe customers start looking for shoe boxes again, Apple - watch out...


Kird


PS: running the external monitor with DVI at least helps a bit

Mar 6, 2013 2:51 AM in response to Kird

Hello Kird,


I can recommend the script. Now I'm satisfied!


How to force RGB in Mac OS X

  1. Download the patch-edid.rb script from the forums thread above and put it in your home directory (full script provided below for reference).
  2. Connect only the external monitor(s) in question (I closed my MacBook lid, for example). The script will make override files for any connected monitor.
  3. Type “ruby patch-edid.rb” in Terminal.
  4. A new folder will be created in your home directory. Move it into the “/System/Library/Displays/Overrides” folder.
  5. Restart your computer, enjoy your monitor.

(src.: http://ireckon.net/2013/03/force-rgb-mode-in-mac-os-x-to-fix-the-picture-quality -of-an-external-monitor)


And the script: http://embdev.net/attachment/168316/patch-edid.rb

(src.: http://embdev.net/topic/284710#3027030)



Regards,

Daniel

MacBook Pro Retina 13' HDMI Problem

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