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How do I stop i-tunes from changing the genres for my songs without my consent?

Lately, itunes has been taking the genres I've set for my songs and changing them without my consent or say so. I change them back to what I want, i-tunes changes it back to what it wants, etc..


For example, I might list something as "Rock", but i-tunes decides it's "Pop" or "Alternate Rock" and edits my file's meta-data unilaterally. I might decide I want a category called "Christmas Music", but i-tunes decides the genre is "Holiday Music". I even have a few songs labeled "Urban", and i-tunes tries to change them to "Hip-Hop/Rap" or "Rap/Hip-hope". I took a lot of time with my large music collection to get this stuff exactly the way I wanted it- simplified. I-tunes is screwing it up.


This is *my* music. I even bought it all legally on a limited budget. I get to decide what genre I want it listed as.


Is there a setting or something I can change to get i-tunes to stop messing my music genre data? Or do I have to find a new music player?


I've got a long suffering ipod classic I was thinking of replacing at some point, but I may leave the i-tunes ecosystem entirely over this instead. To make things worse, my ipod with it's troubled syncing and broken buttons now has to deal with constantly recopying files with new genres every time I sync and itunes or I have changed something in our constant man versus machine battle- just try have hundreds of songs recopied each time without an error on something that barely can handle normal syncing after reconnecting 10 times or so every sync because it doesn't take the first 9 times.


I don't want to fight my music player. I just want the thing to work and do what I instruct it to do. Either that or I'm going to have to rename it "HAL" and start calling myself "Dave" ala 2001: A Space Odessy. Because this thing seems to be turning on me. 😉

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Posted on Dec 6, 2012 1:27 PM

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Dec 14, 2012 8:26 PM in response to mbutler532011

Yeah, I realize the genre thing was going to continue as long as I let itunes connect with Apple's servers, so I unticked share my library with Apple, locked the itunes store out using parental controls, deleted genius, and just generally did everything I could to physically firewall my itunes software from communicating with Apple, because Apple is giving it instructions that are screwing up my collection. I'm going to be uninstalling Apple's update software shortly.


In the long run, of course, I probably can't sit here on this version of itunes forever. Basically, my hope is that Apple changes it's mind or allows an opt-out, and then I could upgrade to that version and re-enable communication with the store, genius, etc.. If they don't, I'll probably have to switch to software from a different brand to see what'll let me do things the closest to the way I want. Either that, or swallow Apple's changes and deal with it (I doubt it). End of an era.


Apple seems to be moving past people like me. I think they're prepping people's collections to go to an entirely cloud base subscription service sometime in 2013 (September at the latest would be my guess). That's also probably why they stopped increasing storage space on their devices, and only leave an ancient ipod classic design for people who want a lot of storage, and there keep being rumors of them getting rid of even that.


If the other gentleman can write that script to recover some of the playcounts from backups, that'll help me either move forward if Apple alllows an opt-out of the genre changing or I decide to accept it (The latter being unlikely). It also could help if I choose different media software that ports my playcounts (I hear some can read itunes library files and import elements of them).


Or I guess if absolutely necessary, I may just zero out my remaining playcounts and start fresh with something other than itunes.


I don't know, I don't feel like I have any real good choices.


Basically, Apple's got a virtual monopoly on good music management and high capacity music players. So they basically figure that people like me are stuck with whatever they decide to do. They might be right. But they also might have underestimated some of our stubbornness.


I mean, especially if they eliminate high capacity music players, a lot of what would keep me are smart playlists I've create and accumulated play counts and last played info and stuff. Well, there go the play counts, high capacity music players may be next to go, etc..


In the end, if they make itunes no better than some competitor's software, and make ipods no better than Android phones, why not just use a competitor's software and sync to my phone? Would save me a lot of money replacing my ipod (Which I was going to have to find a way to do so soon).


This is really sad. I loved the ecosystem they'd created and they're destroying it. They've possible irreovably destroyed my play counts, too. If that script thing doesn't work out, I'll probably have to start at 0, which I can just as easily do with other software.


The cloud is great as a backup or to use in a pinch, maybe on a phone or a tablet or a friend's computer or something. But I want home base to be files I own on a computer and a high capacity portable music player that doesn't require a frequent Internet connection and can store all my music. And I want to be able to choose my music and how it's organized. I don't think Apple gets people like me. I don't think they care. I think they just want the throw "throw around cash" and like glittery things demographic that won't notice or care about the details or have strong opinions on how they want things to work. The type of people who will pay them big bucks every months for a subscription and don't care about owning their own music is probably their demographic of the future- that's what these moves add up to.

Dec 16, 2012 8:06 PM in response to turingtest2

Any estimated time period for the script being available if you decide to go forward with it?


Just trying to figure out my next move. Ideally, I'd like to use the script before I start trying out other software media players, since many import playcount, or, if there is no script, decide between trying to do some sort of manual correction (Maybe swapping libraries for the backup, taking down playcounts for key albums [No way I am doing it for everything zeroed- would not finish in this century] by hand, and then playing back the last few seconds of the songs repeatedly until they hit the magic numbers), zeroing out all playcounts and starting fresh, or living with 5-10% of my library starting over while the rest remains where it is.


No pressure. Just want to get my game plan in order (If the answer is no, I understand- even that'll help in the sense that I'll know what my options are and make a decision).

Dec 17, 2012 1:18 AM in response to CharmCityCrab

It's not too hard, probably a couple of hours to write and test, but I'm slightly snowed under. With my Dad in A&E since 4am today. And I've got an issue uploading to my website. A few days at most I hope.


I was thinking if the current play count is less than the historic play count we can add the two together. If the current is the same or higher we can assume this was a value that wasn't lost in the upgrades and leave it alone.


tt2

Dec 17, 2012 5:50 AM in response to turingtest2

Actually, I can get "Get Info" to work for me now, but in a slightly different way than before.


To access "Get Info" to make changes to more than one item at a time, I had to change from "songs" to "artist" or "genre" and once I am in that menu header, I am able to right click on the name and select all to be changed.


For some reason, when under the "songs" menu header, "Get Info" is grayed out if you try to change more than one item at a time.


So that is working for me also.


And I am no longer losing playcounts when changing these items, but the ones that did change are back to zero.

Dec 17, 2012 10:17 AM in response to turingtest2

" With my Dad in A&E since 4am today."


I'm sorry to hear about your father. I hope everything turns out to be alright with him.


"I was thinking if the current play count is less than the historic play count we can add the two together. If the current is the same or higher we can assume this was a value that wasn't lost in the upgrades and leave it alone."


That sounds excellent. Even better than the initial plan, and likely the absolute closest we'll get to getting the zeroed out playcounts back to exactly where they should be. Losing the play count data between the last backup and when they got zeroed out is inevitable, since there is no record of it anywhere, but if we can use the play count data before and after for the specific affected files added together, it'll only be as if there was a few week gap for those files, which is a much better outcome than I thought likely. 🙂 That'll be close enough that I can keep all my current playcounts that weren't effected and still feel I can compare files and the like.

Dec 19, 2012 8:06 PM in response to CharmCityCrab

Everyone seems to be talking about Windows in this thread... I'm on a Mac have experienced the precise same ridiculousness as CharmCityCrab: this evening all my genres are changed to the sloppy, thoughtless, imprecise (and often wrong) genres manned by the iTunes Store. "Hip Hop" here, "Hip-Hop" there. And even if iTunes did employ genres in a consistent way, that's the beside the point. CharmCityCrab is entirely right: we bought tracks on good faith that they were ours, and now Apple is breaking into our personal property and rearranging things, wiping out hours and years of hard work.


More importantly, has anyone actually determined a way to stop this change from happening? I suspect this all has to do with "Share detials about your library with Apple." It says right in the description is allows iTunes to get metadata basedon the item in your library. "Keep iTunes Media folder organized" ought not have anything to do with this problem: that simply authorizes I tunes to move your music into folders.


Even more importantly, how does one restore an iTunes library from this morning or yesterday from Time Machine? Can one do that without getting too technical?

Dec 20, 2012 1:03 PM in response to CharmCityCrab

I stumbled on a very very interesting find.

I downloaded a program called "Media Monkey" to try to use to organize my songs, and would you believe that it found ALL OF THE SONGS PLUS THE PLAYCOUNTS of those songs that were changed during the upgrade to iTunes 11!!!

There are so many duplicate songs that it found. Anything that had the genres, song names or year changed showed up as a duplicate with their original playcounts.

Now, the question is, WHERE did it find those songs with those playcounts???

Dec 20, 2012 3:03 PM in response to Tooltomus

That *is* interesting. Are the playcounts you're seeing up to the second they were zeroed out on itunes as best you can determine, or from your last automatic itunes library file backup (Which would likely be from just before upgrading to itunes 11)? Do the duplicate listings point to the same file location in Windows explorer (Meaning they're the same file underneath interrepted two different ways by the software, meaning each file is listed twice with differing information), or are they pointing to two different files in two different locations (Meaning the files were actually copied at some point)?

Dec 23, 2012 11:29 PM in response to Tooltomus

On songs and genres changing--me, too. WTH?!?! Also songs disappearing altogether--all since stupid iTunes 11.

Re: deleted songs: Still can't get some to show in iTunes 11 even though they're in my pc. Other lost songs, I found "hidden" in my iTunes account. WTH? I never go in the account much less hide anything.


Also, was checking some book files that disappeared. When I clicked on the chapter tracks, they disappeared right in front of my eyes!! Then when I went back to the main book page, I suddenly had several new books--with foreign or non-sensical titles. Clicked on those & guess what? They were the chapter tracks from the book I had just clicked on. Except now each track is its own book and completely mislabeled in every way.


Anyone hear how to fis this problem?! Some of those audiobooks I use as a teacher for listening activities. Imagine the fun when I go to play the tracks & suddenly can't find them. I'll look incompetent. If Apple doesn't fix this, I'm migrating to another player.


Really hating Apple today. Have spent way too much time reloading CDs, but I no longer have them all.


BTW, when I tried to like your comment & click "I have this question too", it changed the comment to "I don't have this question anymore." WTH???!!!!

Jan 9, 2013 8:04 PM in response to CharmCityCrab

i am using an imac running the latest version of itunes11 on mountain lion.


this auto-changing of some purchased song tags is happening to me as well. but worst of all, it resets their playcount which i deeply depend upon.


(i also noticed the sort fields of newly purchased songs are prefilled, even when they are the same as the original fields.)


this all must be fixed.

Sep 24, 2013 8:40 AM in response to bernardo

I have iTunes version 11.1 and I still have this problem.


I hesitate to say I'm glad to have found this thread, because it means others are frustrated but...I'm glad to have found this thread.


I first made the mistake of turning on iTunes Match. That altered song titles, genres, and for some reason doubled a lot of my play counts. I got cleaned up, then turned on the option to show iTunes in the cloud so that I could download some things I bought through AppleTV. And now my genres are all mixed up again, because that's how Apple wants them to be.


Luckily I started using another program for this (MusicBee) so it's not really a big deal this second time.


I have no solutions- just needed to commisserate after getting nowhere with support, or their tech support website (which I've found to be pretty useless in general).

Oct 15, 2013 12:02 PM in response to CharmCityCrab

Okay - new theory (worked for me.....so far). Go to Settings and under "Store" uncheck" the "Show iTunes in the Cloud purchases"


No need to do anything else - it is the "version" in the cloud that is being displayed in iTunes (because if you look a the info for a single song the genre is correct). If you stop allowing iTunes to show the "cloud" version it should remain your custom genre.

How do I stop i-tunes from changing the genres for my songs without my consent?

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