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How do I stop i-tunes from changing the genres for my songs without my consent?

Lately, itunes has been taking the genres I've set for my songs and changing them without my consent or say so. I change them back to what I want, i-tunes changes it back to what it wants, etc..


For example, I might list something as "Rock", but i-tunes decides it's "Pop" or "Alternate Rock" and edits my file's meta-data unilaterally. I might decide I want a category called "Christmas Music", but i-tunes decides the genre is "Holiday Music". I even have a few songs labeled "Urban", and i-tunes tries to change them to "Hip-Hop/Rap" or "Rap/Hip-hope". I took a lot of time with my large music collection to get this stuff exactly the way I wanted it- simplified. I-tunes is screwing it up.


This is *my* music. I even bought it all legally on a limited budget. I get to decide what genre I want it listed as.


Is there a setting or something I can change to get i-tunes to stop messing my music genre data? Or do I have to find a new music player?


I've got a long suffering ipod classic I was thinking of replacing at some point, but I may leave the i-tunes ecosystem entirely over this instead. To make things worse, my ipod with it's troubled syncing and broken buttons now has to deal with constantly recopying files with new genres every time I sync and itunes or I have changed something in our constant man versus machine battle- just try have hundreds of songs recopied each time without an error on something that barely can handle normal syncing after reconnecting 10 times or so every sync because it doesn't take the first 9 times.


I don't want to fight my music player. I just want the thing to work and do what I instruct it to do. Either that or I'm going to have to rename it "HAL" and start calling myself "Dave" ala 2001: A Space Odessy. Because this thing seems to be turning on me. 😉

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Posted on Dec 6, 2012 1:27 PM

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Dec 6, 2012 1:50 PM in response to CharmCityCrab

To clarify, I've been running i-tunes for nearly 5 years now. This only started happening after itunes 11 came out. Other than the too-small cover art view, I actually like many of the changes- I've been trying to get a static "show what's playing" cover art thing since they took that option away from me a few versions back, and now it defaults to that. I like a lot of the other elements of the new interface. But a program repeatedly changing my genres without my consent is a deal breaker if there is no fix.


I like organizing my collection my way and took time over the years to get it done- itunes is acting like the equivalent of a bully coming in and knocking down a kid's ornate sand castle over and over again. This is BS. Again, a computer is supposed to do what *I* tell it to, not the other way around.


What's next? Changing album titles? Album artwork? Song names? Playlists? Maybe it'll decide what music I should or shouldn't listen to at any given time, or start going in and deleting anything I bought from Amazon or Google or imported from CD.


This all reeks of Apple arrogance.


It doesn't make me want to make the sacrifices required to get another i-pod classic, that's for sure. Just the other day I was mentioning it'd make a great gift (In a theoretical discussion- No one is likely to get me a gift that that's pricey). Now I am wondering if I need to find something else.


I've always loved itunes and my ipod. If I wasn't so poor, I'd probably have an Apple computer and an iphone. The only thing that's traditionally bothered me about Apple is how expensive everything is. But I always said "You know, itunes is free, I only need the one music player, I love music, it's worth the sacrifice". If apple is going to treat us like we're they're thralls and not let us manage our own music collections, I'm out.

Dec 6, 2012 4:55 PM in response to CharmCityCrab

Sorry if that was a bit over the top. I just love my music and my music collection, and want to be able to keep it organized in the way I prefer to organize it (and took a lot of time to get "right").


Anyone else noticing genre listings changing on their songs? Anyone know of a way to stop this behavior?


I love itunes in most respects, so I'd like to be able to find a way to fix this so I can continue with it. I hate the idea of giving up a music player that I for the most part love over one issue and go to a new music player that might have have other issues (Plus, the ipod classic is really the only thing that'll hold my whole collection). It seems like there should be a work-around somewhere.

Dec 11, 2012 9:45 PM in response to Tooltomus

Ugh. I thought I was exagerating when I said song name changes were next. Apparently, I was literally correct. I haven't seen it yet personally, but Tooltomus says he has.


I thought the genre changes had stopped, only to see that they'd started up again a few minutes ago. This is getting really old really fast.


Again, why does Apple seem to think it can do whatever it wants to our bought and paid for music without our permission? This isn't about interface changes or whatever, which are all well within their rights, but to actually alter our files themselves without asking or even notifying us. They've got to be kidding... Isn't there some way to turn this off?


Why are they doing this? What's the point of it? Is it intentional or some kind of bug? Is anyone from Apple going to bother to even tell us?


I feel like I had some great music software and a great music player. I've used them for hours every day for years. I really love smart playlists and a whole bunch of features. It's very upsetting to see them go in this direction.


You know, record companies and music sellers have been pushing the idea of legally purchased files for years, saying it's just the same as CDs or whatever. And I've been dutifully buying my files this whole time from various legal sellers instead of pirating them. And now they're basically doing the equivalent of breaking into my home and messing around with my CDs- scrobbling all over the covers and album booklets, etc..


Why even have a genre setting the user can change if the program is going to keep overriding it and change genres? Why even have a song setting the user can change if the program is going to keep overriding it and change song titles? What happens when the program gets something wrong?


Anyone know how to turn this off? Would going back to itunes 10 help or is this coming from the server to every version of itunes? Is there other music player software that will leave my music alone that will preserve my playcounts, ratings, playlists, last played, and so on and so forth, and support syncing to my ipod? Can I somehow cut itunes off from contacting apple's servers to look up information and make these changes?

Dec 12, 2012 11:28 AM in response to CharmCityCrab

Also noting some tracks being changed from, for example, track "1 of 13" simply to "1", often right after playing them. Keep having to reset that also. Another example of the software seeming to fight me over how I've chosen to organize my music. It makes no sense to have these fields be user editable and then override the user's edits repeatedly.

Dec 12, 2012 1:22 PM in response to CharmCityCrab

I have had this exact same problem. A few months back I literally spent DAYS going through all my music and making the genres what I wanted, editing the song title names (like eliminating the irritating 'feat.')...etc.


Then I bought a new mac. And then got the upgrade to iTunes 11. I now have a million genres I don't even understand and I can't FIND anything! I'm a simple girl...give me simple, Apple. What is the difference between Adult Alternative Rock, Alt-Rock, Post Modern Art Rock, and Rock anyway??


For instance, I love Country music. I had 'condensed' everything to "Country-New", "Country-Old", "Country-Christmas".


Now I have at least ten (probably more) different genres that include Country....but they're all over the place. There's Adult Country, Alternative Country, Country Western, Contemporary Country, Traditional Country....that's only a few. This is RIDICULOUS. I have NO idea where all my songs got filed, and since clicking the Genius button on a song I like (while a neat function to hear similiar type songs) only makes a playlist of about 25 or so, the remainder of the genre I WOULD have liked to listen to (when the genre was what I chose instead of this craziness) is lost to me.


And why can't I sort my music by Genre and then Artist? Or Genre and then song? I don't care one whit about Album title, but that's all I can see now. I don't even care if I ever see Album Artwork or if it all got deleted from the tracks. I just want to LISTEN to what "I" want to listen to WHEN I want to listen to it. With THOUSANDS of songs, I don't have a clue what album ninety percent of these songs were originally on, so how can sorting alphabetically by album help me at all?


I don't want my music 'fancied up'. I don't want a pretentious library. I just want to be able to find the songs I love.

Dec 12, 2012 6:38 PM in response to CharmCityCrab

Assuming these are mp3 files that are misbehaving I wonder if you have an issue with multiple tags. With multiple tags it is not certain which copy iTunes reads or which it updates when you use Get Info. it may help to use Convert ID3 Tags... None several times, then Convert ID3 Tags... v2.3. The process removes any embedded art but otherwise preserves the data that iTunes knows. iTunes should then reliably process and save further updates you make. The one downside is that any embedded artwork is removed however you could use my script CreateFolderArt before and after to save and then restore the artwork.


I would suggest you test a single album first to see if the idea has any merit.


Another potential cause of problems is Windows Media Player which has a habit of silently "correcting" tags which iTunes later discovers and displays. Details here.


tt2

Dec 13, 2012 8:21 AM in response to turingtest2

I don't need to restore the songs, I am able to change them one song at a time. But that takes forever if you have a lot of music. The problem is, even after I change the genre, song, etc. iTunes changes it back within a couple of days.

I don't even connect my iPod anymore, because everytime I do, it would change those songs back too.

It never used to be this way.

Dec 13, 2012 8:23 AM in response to turingtest2

Even if he doesn't have Match, by default 11 seems to display past store purchases as "on the cloud" even if you are not a Match subscriber. They certainly did for me... showing as duplicates to my local copies but still with default artwork and genres. I eventually figured out what they were and found the setting to turn off display of cloud items. Question is... Is he seeing these "duplicates" or have they actually replaced his local copies for some reason? Do they show the cloud icon? If not, is it possible that past purchases were re-downloaded?

Dec 13, 2012 9:20 AM in response to joefromnc

I don't have itunes match and have selected the option to hide songs in the cloud (past purchases from itunes) from day one with itunes 11.


This is changing the genre on my *local copies* of these songs. And manually changing the genre back does little good (Though I do it anyway), because Apple keeps flipping the genre back to what it wants after some time passes.


And, no, I am not redownloading the songs, unless Apple is doing it in the background over and over again without telling me, and I don't see why it would, because I've always had local copies of all my songs on this hard drive. It wouldn't be filling in the blanks. This is my entire music collection.

How do I stop i-tunes from changing the genres for my songs without my consent?

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