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Cluster of dead pixels on MBPr?

I've had my MBPr for a while now, and despite enfuriating un-fixable image retention issues it's been an amazing laptop.


But this last week I noticed a sudden cluster of dead/stuck pixels near the center of the screen while working in Photoshop. They're definitely new... looking closely, it's like two tiny horizontal streaks of white stacked on top of one another. I haven't been able to check with a loupe yet, but it looks like maybe 5-6 dead pixels... one tiny row stacked right on top of another. It's invisible against white or brighter colors, but against darks it's like a chunk of white lint is stuck inside the screen.


I have zero opportunity to make it to Apple Store until January since I'm buried under an avalanche of Holiday client work - but what will my options/posibilities be when I do? Has anyone else seen or dealt with this on the retina display?

MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012), Other OS, BootCamp: Windows 8 Release Preview

Posted on Dec 18, 2012 11:44 AM

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Dec 18, 2012 12:22 PM in response to Veraxus

Ever since LCD screens came out and recognizing that not all screens come out perfect from the assembly line, all makers established a set of guidelines regarding dead pixel remediation. "Replace if more than X dead" "Replace if truly dead (stuck on black)", etc. But they are guidelines, each computer maker establishes their own, which change over time and are discretionary to whomever is handling your case.


Trip to the Store, inevitable. But your deportment once there will have a large bearing on the final result. Don't go in screaming bloody murder. But be firm in that a computer of this price range has to be PERFECT. Be ready to escalate up to the store manager or beyond if they waffle or turn you down.


As a final observation, most unfortunate they are stuck-on-white. Had they been black, it is far easier to get a replacement. In the meantime, might want to download any one of the myriad "pixel tester" apps out there that allow you to flood the screen with different colors and see which are failing.

Dec 18, 2012 1:46 PM in response to Veraxus

An easy way to determine where the offending pixels are by generating an all white display which will show all dead pixels (the little black dots). For the ones permanently on, generate an all black display and look for the all of the colored dots.


The dead pixel coordinates can be obtained by using COMMAND 4.


As Courcoul has indicated, Apple has dead pixel standards. Should you locate enough of them, it becomes a 'black and white' issue.


Ciao.

Dec 18, 2012 2:04 PM in response to Veraxus

The Image Retention issue has been ongoing with this model and many have had their screens replaced, Not once but a few times (and or had the whole system replaced more then once), to fix it.

You are still well inside your initial 1 year warranty period and should have the screen replaced to fix both issues.


I also suggest you buy the Applecare Extended warranty as the Retina model is basically irreparable as most all part are either soldered to the logic board or glued inside the aluminum case parts. Without the extended warranty you could be looking at trashing that system, if anything goes wrong, and buying a new one as the repair cost would be excessive.

Dec 28, 2012 11:38 AM in response to Veraxus

Here's an update. I finally made it to the Apple Store and it pretty thoroughly convinced me that I need to stop buying Apple products until they can refocus on providing both quality products and quality service. The MacBook Retina has been nothing but a parade of problems since I opened the package and Apple has been weasely about it at every turn. I don't feel like I'm dealing with Apple any more, but some creepy guy selling used electronics at a swapmeet.


So I go to the Apple Store and show them the hot spot using Photoshop, and illustrating the behavior against different colors. Deep greens and reds reveal a couple black spots in the cluster, while blues and blacks show the whole white cluster. Pastels make it almost undetectable... but when there's darkness, and especially if the screen brightness is jacked up, it's very noticeable.


First, the genius tells me "it's just one pixel", which shocks and confounds me. I keep my cool, despite the feeling of outrage from the guy saying something so outright and visibly false. I show him the macro photo I took with my phone and a reading loupe (see below)...


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I count 25 fully hot pixels against darks, 5 dead pixels against colors, and 10 more "partially hot" pixels against black and deeper colors.


The guy takes the computer into the back and when he returns tells me that the computer "doesn't meet their criteria for replacement". I say "25 hot pixels in a cluster in the middle of the screen doesn't meet the criteria? What exactly are the criteria." He replies "Well, I can't tell you that. It's not public knowledge."


I am dead serious, this is the exchange that just happened at the Apple Store. I was flabbergasted and red-in-the-face angry. It's as if they strict instructions to never repair a MacBook Retina ever, and to lie and fabricate and conceal as much as they need to prevent replacing a defective Retina screen. It's outrageous, and I've never experienced such horrific customer service from Apple in my life until I bought this rubbish MacBook Retina (I didn't even bring up the fact in my original post that I have to reset the SMC & PRAM at least once a day when the computer mysteriously starts disabling things, like the trackpad, discreet graphics, or USB ports).


After some very restrained argument (again, I was trying VERY hard to remain polite), he finally offers to replace the screen but insists "this is a one-time thing. We will only replace the screen once."


To which I wanted to reply (but didn't) "You will replace it as many times as is needed until I get one that isn't defective." I didn't... but they wanted me to leave the computer for 3-5 days, which I can't afford right now with looming deadlines. So he made some notes and I'll take it back in a couple weeks when I can afford to be without it for a few days.


Still, I deeply, deeply regret buying this machine. It's been nothing but trouble and Apple has been nothing but useless at best, and deliberately antogonistic at worst.

Feb 5, 2013 6:48 PM in response to Veraxus

This is weird. The guys at my apple store took one look at my mbpr with less pixel damage than yours and they happily and promptly replaced it. I had a super good experience. Maybe you should try a different apple store? They had the screen replaced that evening and I picked it up the next day! They told me they would replace the screen as many times as I needed, but if it were more than a couple times they would probably give me a new machine. Sounds like you just have a crappy store... sorry!

Feb 19, 2013 4:57 AM in response to Veraxus

I got the same problem with my rmbp ... 4 times in 5 month ... The 2 first times they accepted to change the screen without a problem with a 2 weeks waiting ... the 3rd time it happend i ask to have a new machine due to the waist of time and money ( i need to drive at least 2 hours one way to get to the nearest apple store )

I'm now using my new rMBP since 3 weeks and i all ready got more than 10 clusters of dead pixels.

While i was having the apple care on the phone they explain me that DUST was the problem of dead pixels and they generously axepted to change, again , my display ... :-/

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