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  • babowa Level 7 (29,940 points)

    Good luck with your new Mac and post back if you have any questions once you have it (and you've talked to the Apple store). Keep in mind that the new mantra is download the entire OS (if needed) - that's great with anyone with a lightening speed connection, but that's why most people recommend a full backup so you can recover without having to download it again. My connection speed is not the fastest and it takes quite a while; I've heard of others with a slower connection waiting several hours.

  • The Bass Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks.  I'm used to discs. This downloading apps stuff is MADNESS!!!!!!!!

  • babowa Level 7 (29,940 points)

    Agreed  - it wastes resources, time, and bandwidth allowances which most ISPs have. I have two bootable clones (one pristine, done from a fresh install, only to be used if I need to start over) and one being kept current for every OS version I have (SL, Lion, and Mountain Lion).

  • Pat *italiano* Valella Level 4 (1,835 points)

    Can I install a fresh install using a 16-gig USB Stick?  I do have a full backup on an external USB 1-terrabyte drive I use with Time Machine but was wondering about the stick.  Will it boot from it and install like a DVD drive would?  I'm still getting a Super Drive in the next few weeks as I've never had a new Mac (just bought a new Mini about a week ago).  

  • babowa Level 7 (29,940 points)

    I don't use a stick (preferring clones), so I can't speak from personal experience, but here are the instructions:

     

    http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/create-a-bootable-mountain-lion-usb-key-inst aller/

  • The Bass Level 1 (0 points)

    So when you guys talk about clones, are we talking an additional external drive with nothing else on it?  Like if the clone is on that drive, nothing else can be?

  • clintonfrombirmingham Level 7 (30,000 points)

    Yes. Get an external drive roughly the same size as your internal drive (they're relatively cheap these days), connect it to your Mac and format iit using Disk Utility ("Mac OS Extended (Journaled)" with a single GUID partition, and then use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone your internal drive to the external drive.

     

    Pretty simple (and cheap) to do....

     

    Clinton

  • The Bass Level 1 (0 points)

    Forgive me. . .if the idea is to have a pristine (I'm assuming that means with no apps installed, etc.) clone of the OS, and the OS is 4GB, why do you need a drive the same size as your internal?

  • clintonfrombirmingham Level 7 (30,000 points)

    Just in case you do backup your entire drive - apps and all: that's what a clone is. I keep two 'working' clones and one 'release' clone. As a developer, I'm often running on pre-release software so I keep a clone of the 'stable release' as a backup and two 'scheduled' clone backups of my internal drive. I also keep two Time Machine backups - I'm a fool for backing up, coming from a long history with mainframes.

     

    So if you're going to clone your current drive, you should get a drive of equal size. If you just want a 'recovery' drive, you can create a USB stick of 8GB+ to do a fresh install of Mountain Lion. I've two of these, as well.

     

    Clinton

  • The Bass Level 1 (0 points)

    Ah, ok gotcha.  We may have been over this so again, forgive me, but how would a TM backup differ from a clone of one's entire drive?

  • clintonfrombirmingham Level 7 (30,000 points)

    Time Machine keeps incremental backups - so you can 'go back in time' and restore your drive from a particular date. A clone is different - it takes a one-time 'snapshot' of your drive. This allows you to restore your system as it was when you took that one 'snapshot'.

     

    I use both methods - I keep both the 'incremental' backups, via Time Machine, and a 'one-time' snapshot of my internal drive. As I said, one clone I'll use for a 'stable' system release and the other two as daily snapshots.

     

    Clear? If not, call back.

     

    Clinton

  • The Bass Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok, that's what I figured.   Guess they haven't implemented a feature in Time Machine yet where you can tell it "NEVER ERASE THIS PARTICULAR BACKUP!" (e.g. the very first one you  make, your "stable" built). . .a setting to let it erase/overwrite everything else as needed when the drive fills up, but keep that particular backup locked/protected from erasure.  The act of being erased, that is. Not the band.

  • The Bass Level 1 (0 points)

    So heres an update: got the mac, apparently already has ML installed, guy at apple store said id its a mid 2011 must have shipped with lion, couldnt fathom that it might have shipped with SL, and he knew of no way to check. So thats where i be at right now.

  • babowa Level 7 (29,940 points)

    Well, if you want to pursue it, I'd call Apple (you're under warranty!) and ask if they can confirm which build and OS version it came with since it's a mid 2011, so it could have either installed.

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1159

     

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