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Luke_57 Level 1 Level 1

Recently I purchased a late 2012 Macbook Pro. It's the 13 inch model with a dual core 2.9ghz, i7 processor, 750gb Hardrive and 8gb RAM. I've had some heating issues with it, my cores have been reaching 95 - 106 Degrees Celsius when playing games like Minecraft and World Of Warcraft.

 

I understand these machines were not built for gaming but I thought it should be able to cope with these low graphic intensive games. I've had no frame rate issues or 'lag' when playing.

 

Will this damage my hardware in any way?

 

Thanks


MacBook Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2)
Reply by OGELTHORPE on Dec 29, 2012 11:00 AM Helpful

I do not play games on my MBP and the few times that I have had runaway applications, I have immediately restarted my machine so it has not been exposed to high temperature for any prolonged period .  I have seen on this forum users who have reported shutdowns due to heat and have restarted the Mbps.  I also have seen very experienced participants indicate that indeed there are shutdown provisions for heat in the MBP.

 

What I suggest you might do is call Apple support back and pose the same question again.  They have centers through out the country and you are bound to talk to a different representive.  Don't accept an 'I think' answer.  This is clearly a yes or no situation.  If you cannot get a definitive answer, insist on talking to someone who knows for certain.

 

Though I am of the opinion that the MBP will shut down, I would be most interested to know if I am wrong.

 

Ciao.

Reply by OGELTHORPE on Dec 29, 2012 1:06 PM Helpful

I just called Apple Care my self and the representative asked a senior advisor about the question, if the MBP will shut down due to high temperatures.  He said that there is a 'hardware kill switch' inside that will shut the unit down if it reach temperatures that will damage the MBP.

 

I was not left with a "wishy washy it's a maybe" impression how the answer was presented to me.  I still would like to hear what answer that you might get.

 

Ciao.

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  • OGELTHORPE Level 8 Level 8

    It certainly will not help it.  With that said, there are heat sensors that will shut down the MBP before it commits Hari Kari.  The temperatures you report are right at that level.

     

    You are correct, MBPs are not good gaming machines.  PC's are much better.

     

    Ciao.

  • Luke_57 Level 1 Level 1

    I called up Apple yesterday and the person I spoke to told me there is no saftey system that shuts down the Mac when it's too hot. I don't know what to belive, he didn't sound to sure himself.

     

    After being on the phone for quite some time I didn't get any straight answers, they didn't say if it was safe running at these tempratures, they just insisted that I took it for a diagnostic which isn't really necessary since I've only owned it for four days.

     

    I've had some people saying that the temprature is perfectly normal, it's within the range and it won't damage my Mac, then theres people saying it will cause damage and those tempratures aren't normal. I don't know what to belive.

  • OGELTHORPE Level 8 Level 8

    I do not play games on my MBP and the few times that I have had runaway applications, I have immediately restarted my machine so it has not been exposed to high temperature for any prolonged period .  I have seen on this forum users who have reported shutdowns due to heat and have restarted the Mbps.  I also have seen very experienced participants indicate that indeed there are shutdown provisions for heat in the MBP.

     

    What I suggest you might do is call Apple support back and pose the same question again.  They have centers through out the country and you are bound to talk to a different representive.  Don't accept an 'I think' answer.  This is clearly a yes or no situation.  If you cannot get a definitive answer, insist on talking to someone who knows for certain.

     

    Though I am of the opinion that the MBP will shut down, I would be most interested to know if I am wrong.

     

    Ciao.

  • Luke_57 Level 1 Level 1

    Okay, thanks. I'll call their support line tomorrow and find out if they do shutdown to prevent damage, and to see what they say about the temprature readings.

     

    I'll let you know what they say, hopefully I won't get the same unsure answers.

  • Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6

    Will it damage the hardware? At some point yes it will. Heat is the killer of all things electronic, along with liquids.

     

    Right the Mac notebooks are not really meant for gaming, especially the 13" models, as they have a very low volume fan/cooling system and the 13" only has one fan.

     

    Apple has a 14 day No Questions Asked return policy for full refund. You may consider return it and buying the 15" or something else that is better designed for your intended use.

     

    The 15" models aren't much better at cooling.

  • Luke_57 Level 1 Level 1

    I purchased this Macbook for College use and it does pretty much what I need it to, I only need to run programs like Logic Pro, Pages, Internet, Chrome etc. I just wanted to run some games as bonus. They're not very graphically intensive, especially Minecraft and World Of Warcraft. I've ran both these games on an old PC with a terrible cooling system and terrible hardware specs. I expected this notebook to blaze them, especially since I paid over £1000 for this machine.

     

     

     

    I've read in some places that the i7's used in these Macbooks are designed to run at temperatures up to 105 Degrees Celsius. They say that it's safe running at these temperatures and it's not likely to cause any hardware damage. I still don't know what to believe though, so many people are saying different things.

  • OGELTHORPE Level 8 Level 8

    I just called Apple Care my self and the representative asked a senior advisor about the question, if the MBP will shut down due to high temperatures.  He said that there is a 'hardware kill switch' inside that will shut the unit down if it reach temperatures that will damage the MBP.

     

    I was not left with a "wishy washy it's a maybe" impression how the answer was presented to me.  I still would like to hear what answer that you might get.

     

    Ciao.

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  • Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6

    That is a MAX Temp not what it is supposed to run at all the time or even for a short but extended priod of time.

     

    The temp of your Mac should be somewhere in the range of 40-50°c when at idle. If it is higher then that then you may have a problem with the thermal paste or the cooling system. Not all computers coming off the production line are made the same.

     

    I just last night put a i7 2720QM quad core CPU, 2.2 Ghz, in my Dell E6420 that came with a Dual core i5 2.5Ghz CPU. I redid the thermal paste with a very good product and the i7 is running cooler then the i5 did. Also the i5 would run one core at around 50°c all the time and the other around the 40° mark. The i7 runs at a steady 42-47°c for all 4 cores. So all intel CPUs aren't built that same either.

     

     

    If your Mac is running at idle above 50°c I'd take it back and get another. You do have 14 days to return it.

  • Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6

    Actually it is built into the CPU so that doesn't get Fried. Once it get to a certain Temp it just stops working and causes the system to shut down. That may be the Hardware Kill switch the Apple care person was talking about. I do know it is built into every Intel CPU.

  • Luke_57 Level 1 Level 1

    It's running at around 40 - 50°c when I'm not doing anything too CPU intensive. There's nothing wrong with the thermal paste, this issue is only happening when I run the games mentioned. I have a two year warranty with this Mac that covers pretty much everything so I'm not too worried, I didn't buy it directly from Apple.

  • Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6

    Well if you didn't buy it from Apple or an Authorised Apple Dealer then good luck with that 2 year warranty, Just Sayin.

     

    Happy New Year to you.

  • Luke_57 Level 1 Level 1

    Thanks for that, that's defanatliy put my mind at ease. The only thing I'm wondering now is will it damage my Mac if I'm running at 90-100°c for a few hours every day, I just want to avoid damaging the hardware really.

  • Luke_57 Level 1 Level 1

    I got if from a big UK retailer which is reliable for that kind of thing, they'll replace it for any damage, faults, accidental damage and theft. I wouldn't take out a warranty if it wasn't from a reliable source.

     

     

    Happy New Year to you too.

  • Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6

    In my honest opinion, and with more then 20 years of working on, in and building computers, YES it will.

     

    Just how and when your system will die, and it will die eventually no matter what, from the excessive heat is anyones guess.

     

    Next week, next year or in 5 years. But the excessive heat will shorten it's life span. That is a simple fact.

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