14 Replies Latest reply: Jan 3, 2013 7:02 PM by steve359
GuyWhoWantsHelp Level 1 Level 1

Hi Guys!

 

I have just recently ordered Snow Leopard from apple to upgrade my iMac to 10.6 due to my new ipod and Iphone being unable to sync with iTunes.

Now after ordering i have run into a few worries,

 

-the first being that i am currently running Tiger (10.4.11) and i am not aware of any back-up solutions, can you recommend any?

 

-Second is that i did not get iLife or iWork, what i understand it that those are applications such as iPhoto and iMovie etc. What i want to know if that if i upgrade to SL will the applications that i have  currently remain there with me being able to access them? Or do i need to back-up the applications as well? Even then will i be able to run them on SL?

 

-Third is that i have run into phrases such as "Clean Install", and not being used to upgrading i am not very aware of what this means, should i worry about this?


iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11)
Solved by GuyWhoWantsHelp on Dec 31, 2012 6:01 PM Solved

Thanks for that-

 

Is iLife necessary to the upgrade, will the applications i currently have still be there when i install snow leopard?

 

"format/at-least-erase the partition before install instead of in-place upgrade".  With 10.4 you may be better off just erasing the partition first and saving yourself the troubled upgrade."

 

Im not quite sure what you mean by this. Does this mean i have to wipe the hard drive before installation?

 

Sorry about the "solved question thing" accidental..

Reply by steve359 on Dec 31, 2012 6:01 PM Helpful

GuyWhoWantsHelp wrote:

 

Is iLife necessary to the upgrade, will the applications i currently have still be there when i install snow leopard?

 

 

The "retail Snow Leoaprd" does not have the "extras".  SL disks that came with systems had "Disk 2" with applications.

 

GuyWhoWantsHelp wrote:

 

"format/at-least-erase the partition before install instead of in-place upgrade".  With 10.4 you may be better off just erasing the partition first and saving yourself the troubled upgrade."

 

Im not quite sure what you mean by this. Does this mean i have to wipe the hard drive before installation?

 

If you simply upgrade the existing Tiger install, the SL system changes may or may not replace everything necessary.  Some user report success, others report very odd irregularities.

 

Some have no choice but to erase the partition and start with just SL, then use MigrationAssistant to copy user-specific settings.

Reply by steve359 on Dec 31, 2012 6:15 PM Helpful

Finder > Applications > Utilities > Disk Utility

 

Every disk, Mac or Windows needs two parts ... a "partition map" which tracks "partitions", and "partitions" which are the blocks of disk space.

 

Mac uses a GUID partition map (although Tiger may use ApplePartitionMap -- that is worth another question in the forum if someone else does not answer it).  The partitions are structured as "HFS+".

 

Using DiskUtility, you can see how your system is setup.  This is my disk, with 1 partition (type Extended Journaled which is also called HFS+) and the disk overall is GUID (see the bottom of the image).

 

Screen shot 2012-12-31 at 9.11.52 PM.png

If you want to erase the partition, select "Macintosh HD" in the left column and "Erase" above.

 

This display will tell you if Tiger uses GUID/ExtendedJournaled or not.

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  • steve359 Level 6 Level 6

    As to backup methods, read this: https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3045

    I prefer a bootable clone to TM, but you can choose.

     

     

    As to iLife ... You can buy iLife disks for under $100 that will fill in where the 10.6.x retail disk leaves off.  Others may have better ideas.

     

     

    As to "Clean Install" ... The SL Retail disk *can* upgrade in-place, but making large jumps like 10.4 to 10.6 do not always work.  Many report that even a small hop like 10.5 to 10.6 need to be done as "format/at-least-erase the partition before install instead of in-place upgrade".  With 10.4 you may be better off just erasing the partition first and saving yourself the troubled upgrade.

  • GuyWhoWantsHelp Level 1 Level 1

    Thanks for that-

     

    Is iLife necessary to the upgrade, will the applications i currently have still be there when i install snow leopard?

     

    "format/at-least-erase the partition before install instead of in-place upgrade".  With 10.4 you may be better off just erasing the partition first and saving yourself the troubled upgrade."

     

    Im not quite sure what you mean by this. Does this mean i have to wipe the hard drive before installation?

     

    Sorry about the "solved question thing" accidental..

  • steve359 Level 6 Level 6

    GuyWhoWantsHelp wrote:

     

    Is iLife necessary to the upgrade, will the applications i currently have still be there when i install snow leopard?

     

     

    The "retail Snow Leoaprd" does not have the "extras".  SL disks that came with systems had "Disk 2" with applications.

     

    GuyWhoWantsHelp wrote:

     

    "format/at-least-erase the partition before install instead of in-place upgrade".  With 10.4 you may be better off just erasing the partition first and saving yourself the troubled upgrade."

     

    Im not quite sure what you mean by this. Does this mean i have to wipe the hard drive before installation?

     

    If you simply upgrade the existing Tiger install, the SL system changes may or may not replace everything necessary.  Some user report success, others report very odd irregularities.

     

    Some have no choice but to erase the partition and start with just SL, then use MigrationAssistant to copy user-specific settings.

  • GuyWhoWantsHelp Level 1 Level 1

    What is the partition?

     

    This question is not solved BTW, that was an accident....

  • steve359 Level 6 Level 6

    Finder > Applications > Utilities > Disk Utility

     

    Every disk, Mac or Windows needs two parts ... a "partition map" which tracks "partitions", and "partitions" which are the blocks of disk space.

     

    Mac uses a GUID partition map (although Tiger may use ApplePartitionMap -- that is worth another question in the forum if someone else does not answer it).  The partitions are structured as "HFS+".

     

    Using DiskUtility, you can see how your system is setup.  This is my disk, with 1 partition (type Extended Journaled which is also called HFS+) and the disk overall is GUID (see the bottom of the image).

     

    Screen shot 2012-12-31 at 9.11.52 PM.png

    If you want to erase the partition, select "Macintosh HD" in the left column and "Erase" above.

     

    This display will tell you if Tiger uses GUID/ExtendedJournaled or not.

  • steve359 Level 6 Level 6

    So is it GUID/ExtendedJournaled?  Or do you need to format it?

  • GuyWhoWantsHelp Level 1 Level 1

    it is journaled

  • steve359 Level 6 Level 6

    Cool.

     

    Start with the backup.  That is always the first step in an upgrade.  Clone or TM, your choice, but I advise CarbonCopyClone to an external drive for easier rebuild if required.

  • GuyWhoWantsHelp Level 1 Level 1

    Thanks ill get started as soon as i can.

  • GuyWhoWantsHelp Level 1 Level 1

    I just remembered not that long ago i replaced the hard drive and have only taken up 43gb of my current one, this may contribute to the successful installation of SL...

  • steve359 Level 6 Level 6

    A very clean Tiger install does help I would guess.  Much less "junk" to risk system file replacement.

  • GuyWhoWantsHelp Level 1 Level 1

    Well i'll just wait and see if everything goes according to plan.

  • GuyWhoWantsHelp Level 1 Level 1

    Just installed SL with no hiccups at all, all is running smooth, Thanks for your help.

  • steve359 Level 6 Level 6

    Glad things are good, now.

     

    The tricky thing now is backups.  If you overwrite your Tiger backup with current SL, you lose the ability to go back to critical Tiger data.

     

    You should start a new drive for backup of SL.  I would, at least.

     

    You have just advanced considerably in ability to manage your Mac.