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Huss417 Level 1 Level 1

Hi All,

 

It is time to finally upgrade my old iMac. I waited for the new 2012 model to come out. Now that I have read up on it and see there is no cd/dvd optical drive(which I use quite a bit) I wonder if I am better off trying to find a mid 2011 iMac as they still have it built in?

 

Would the Apple stores still have the 2011 model? I know I can by a stand alone optical drive but questioning which way would be the better option.

 

Thanks in Advance.


iMac, Mac OS X (10.7.4)
Solved by killhippie on Jan 5, 2013 7:30 AM Solved
Another reason I would go for a refurb is if the glass on the new machine gets damaged its a whole new screen, and that is glued to the body as mentioned. The previous model has a seperate glass (I think its glass) screen over the LCD display panel, and that can be removed with a suction cups, its only held on by magnets and thats going to be far quicker and easier than replacing a new 2012 models one. Also the fact that if you plug a USB 2 device into a USB 3 port first on the new 2012 iMacs they then become limited to USB 2 speeds is a bit odd and current iPads and iPhones are USB 2. Also the SD card slot is on the side under the optical drive, not on the back. I would personally go for a refurb mid 2011. If you find a i7 model the performnce difference would not be really that noticable in day to day use, dont let bragging rights or Geek Bench scores fool you, Ivy Bridge is more of an incremental update. Intels tick where as Sandy bridge was the Tock. The next worthwhile CPU upgrade will be Haswell.
Reply by WZZZ on Jan 5, 2013 6:16 AM Helpful
The mid-2011 is slightly more servicable than the glued together late 2012. Also think that with the components  more crammed in than ever, and with only one fan, the silly ultra thin design of the 2012 will run hotter and, long term, lead to more premature failures. Personally, I'd get the mid-2011 while I still can. Apple is more and more turning desktops into single use disposables. The refubs generally enjoy an excellent reputation. http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+21.5-Inch+EMC+2544+Teardown/11936/1
Reply by babowa on Jan 5, 2013 8:59 AM Helpful
Well, I'm the cautious type and generally stick with the officially supported number, but there are plenty of people who have trusted OWC (macsales.com). These guys test the RAM and guarantee it, so it's your decision Your model should be one of the ones listed here: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/iMac/2011/DDR3_21.5_27 You have a lot of choices; I went with adding 2 x 4 GB for a total of 12 GB. You can add 2 x 8 for a total of 20 GB. The previous two choices assume you are leaving the original RAM. If you want to take out the original RAM, you can do 4 x 4 GB, 2 x 8, or 2 x 16....... upon checking, I see that there are no 16 GB, so you can do 4 x 8. If you're just adding, simply leave the original RAM where they are and pop the new RAM in the other two slots. RAM should match horizontally (left and right slots populated with the same RAM).

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  • WZZZ Level 6 Level 6
    expertise.macosx
    Mac OS X

    The mid-2011 is slightly more servicable than the glued together late 2012. Also think that with the components  more crammed in than ever, and with only one fan, the silly ultra thin design of the 2012 will run hotter and, long term, lead to more premature failures. Personally, I'd get the mid-2011 while I still can. Apple is more and more turning desktops into single use disposables.

     

    The refubs generally enjoy an excellent reputation.

     

    http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+21.5-Inch+EMC+2544+Teardown/11936/1

  • Rudegar Level 7 Level 7

    new model is thin and cool

    old model let you add more memory should you be so inclined

  • Allan Jones Level 7 Level 7
    expertise.ipad
    iPad

    We just went through that process when upgrading my wife's computer. We got a 2011 refurb directly from Apple for under USD1000. The lack of an optical drive was a big factor, as was cooling, both already mentioned.

     

    I've never seen refurbs in any Apple retail store. Our family has bought about 10 Macs and other Apple products as refurbs, and always use this Apple web page:

     

    http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac

     

    Items offeredcan change in minutes as stock comes and goes so, if you see something you want, don't tarry!

  • seventy one Level 6 Level 6
    expertise.peripherals
    Peripherals

    Perhaps not so cool when one considers WZZZ's single fan observation. 

     

    And the OP should not forget the incompatibility with Rosetta.   Many game's platforms and Berlitz language courses are based on that, just to mention a few.  I'm all for a refurb if my current one dies.

  • Huss417 Level 1 Level 1

    Thanks all for the input. I am really leaning towards the mid 2011. They do have a refurb on their website I guess I just need to figure out what the original price was and if a good deal. I am just hesitant with a refurb. If I do go the refurb way can I bring it to my apple store for them to transfer everything from my old mac to the new? I would prefer they do that.

     

    What I like about the 2011 seems to be the same as mentioned in this thread.

     

    Seeing that the new 2012 model hasn't been out long would any Apple store still have the 2011 in inventory or once new inventory comes in out goes the old.

     

    Again thanks for the input.

  • WZZZ Level 6 Level 6
    expertise.macosx
    Mac OS X

    Still in doubt that the mid-2011 will run Snow Lepoard. In theory they should, but I've yet to hear of someone who's done it.

  • killhippie Level 3 Level 3

    Another reason I would go for a refurb is if the glass on the new machine gets damaged its a whole new screen, and that is glued to the body as mentioned. The previous model has a seperate glass (I think its glass) screen over the LCD display panel, and that can be removed with a suction cups, its only held on by magnets and thats going to be far quicker and easier than replacing a new 2012 models one. Also the fact that if you plug a USB 2 device into a USB 3 port first on the new 2012 iMacs they then become limited to USB 2 speeds is a bit odd and current iPads and iPhones are USB 2. Also the SD card slot is on the side under the optical drive, not on the back. I would personally go for a refurb mid 2011. If you find a i7 model the performnce difference would not be really that noticable in day to day use, dont let bragging rights or Geek Bench scores fool you, Ivy Bridge is more of an incremental update. Intels tick where as Sandy bridge was the Tock. The next worthwhile CPU upgrade will be Haswell.

  • seventy one Level 6 Level 6
    expertise.peripherals
    Peripherals

    Yes, true.   Perhaps an earlier version with Snow Leopard installed.   Happy New Year to you.

  • David M Brewer Level 6 Level 6
    expertise.video
    Video

    WZZZ wrote:

     

    Still in doubt that the mid-2011 will run Snow Lepoard. In theory they should, but I've yet to hear of someone who's done it.

    My mid-2011 came with Snow Lepoard. Just a few weeks before Lion came out...

  • killhippie Level 3 Level 3

    The machines spec is the same, Lion came out in July and Snow Leopard was running on Mid 2011 iMacs which came out in May 2011 with Sandy Bridge CPU's and the same Facetime HD cameras and ambient light sensors as later 2011 Models. The only thing that visibly changed was the keyboard, which incorporated changes for Lion like Launchpad.

  • Huss417 Level 1 Level 1

    I just called my local Apple store. There are no new 2011 iMacs. I discussed the refurb online and was told that I would not be able to add the One on One as that is only for new machines and not refurbs.

     

    I have ruled out the 2012 all together and have to say not happy about the One on One.

  • killhippie Level 3 Level 3

    Refurbs appear in the online Apple store. As to transfering your information across that is very easy, anyone on here could help you and there is plenty of information on here if you search, and an Apple store I am sure  would help you if you purchased a refurb anyway. Also you still get Applecare for refurb machines so you have nothing to worry about. just keep an eye out for one, they will go fast.

  • Huss417 Level 1 Level 1

    I would love to say this will be my last question but.........

     

    This is the refurb that is available. Not sure what it retailed for originally but is this a good deal? Also I believe I can upgrade the memory from 4 to 16? If someone can point me in the direction of what memory to purchase I will do that as well. Dont want to pay the big bucks that apple charges.

     

    Thanks again.

     

    http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC812LL/A

  • killhippie Level 3 Level 3

    Its cheaper than a brand new one 2012 iMac that you have already decided you do not want. It has a faster HD than the basic 2012 iMac, you would have to add $250 on the 2012 model to get the better fusion drive and also purchase a optical drive, so yes I think that is a good deal. You can add ram cheaply from OWC in the States (I am in the UK) alot cheaper than from Apple themselves. I think this would be great machine that would serve you very well.

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