Power PC Preforma 6400/180 PCI question

Right then, so lately I have been (if you read my SE topic) collecting some old macs. I recently came across this one, and picked it up for around 20 bucks. It seems to run well, is clean, etc. However, I'm looking to use this as a master for my network (or basically, to be able to download games etc. onto it, then send them via local talk (or appletalk) to the rest of my significantly older macs). However, currently the computer only has a standard modem. My question is this: the computer seems to have 3 pci slots. Can I put a standard pci/ethernet card into this computer and have it work? Thanks!

Many, Mac OS 8.6 or Earlier

Posted on May 3, 2006 6:40 PM

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May 4, 2006 9:21 AM in response to AlaskanZen

There should be two PCI slots and a Comm-II slot on a riser-card. PCI slot Ethernet cards are readily available on the used market . US eBay generally features a few including genuine Apple ones, for under US$15. Other brands are also available, but you will need a Driver, and some of the companies are out of business. If you can get the Mac Driver with the card, it should work fine.

I have tended to install the Comm-II slot Ethernet cards, which leaves the PCI slot(s) open for other add-ons. These are also available on the used market, often for under US$25.

The 5400/6400 has no Video acceleration, so you may find it slow on modern Web pages. An Add-on PCI card can fix that problem. USB and FireWire can be added with PCI slot cards, too. Oh, now they are all full.

May 4, 2006 1:53 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Thanks Tom and Grant. Well, I purchased a pc pci ethernet card last night. It looks like this brand supports Mac as well, but only system 8.6 and up, so I'll need to find a copy of system 8.6, I was thinking ebay (it looks like apple only has up to 8.1 here, unless I'm looking in the wrong place). I also picked up 2 of these performa towers, and I noticed one has what I think is a dead video card (the computer turns on, but the monitor never 'engages, while the monitor works with other computers, it remains black with this computer). So I was thinking that a new video card is in order. Do most of the pc/etc. video pci cards work for these older systems, or should I be looking for something produced for the macs only? Also, I'm not sure how to install the comm-2 slot cards, but I did find one of these had a usb port kit allready installed, which is nice. I still however need to get these hooked up to the internet, which is rough given both have system 8.1, and without internet access I can not download and install the macintosh drivers for ethernet (and without the drivers...well you get the idea).

May 4, 2006 6:01 PM in response to AlaskanZen

A black monitor screen can be caused by a dead internal battery on the motherboard. The 6400/6500s use a 4.5-volt alkaline battery (Rayovac 870, 871, or equivalent) that's secured to the motherboard with velcro. Even if you're not going to install a new one, it's a good idea to remove weak or dead alkaline-based batteries from those computers, because they eventually leak and damage the motherboard.

A compatible video card must have a Mac ROM, which rules out the use of cards marketed for use with PCs (unless they've had their ROM chip flashed with a Mac firmware). Check eBay for a used Mac ATI Rage Pro card with 4 or 8 MBs of SGRAM. When I was buying used ones a few years ago, they sold for about $25-$35. Today, they probably sell for about $10-$15. They provide a substantial improvement over the onboard graphics chip on the 6400's motherboard, and a noticeable improvement over the 6500's onboard ATI chip.

The COMM II slot cards install just like PCI cards, with steady downward pressure until they are fully-seated.

Mac OS versions 7.6, 8, 8.5, and 9 aren't available for free download. You can download the updates for each - 7.6.1, 8.1, 8.5.1, 8.6, 9.1, 9.2.1, and 9.2.2. There are Mac dealers online that sell these (universal, retail version) installer CDs, but you'll likely pay less if you find an individual selling one at eBay. I'd avoid buying another Mac's restore CD, because they often lack specific drivers that support the unique hardware found on certain Macs.

May 5, 2006 12:13 AM in response to Jeff

Tom you are a great man:) I also found one on Ebay and bid on it. I'm finding that the browsers for system 8 and down are unstable. There must have been a big change in techonology between system 8 and 8.5 web browsers? Either way I am going to have to run 8.5 and up I believe to make any head way with either my ethernet card and or any downloads.

Jeff, you may have nailed it. It looks like the second performa had a different or new battery. I will do as you suggest. I pulled the l2 cashe as well and threw it into my second tower. However, the disabled one is faster (220 mh) and I'd like to get her runing again.

Thank you both a bunch. I'll keep this updated as I go. Right now I have an old power pc I rescued from my local university running and luckly it has an ethernet port. Unfortunally, all it can run with system 8 is netscape 4.48, and this browser crashes on me consistantly (again, was there a big jump in web site design during this period of time? Even the apple site crashes badly).

Are there any other upgrades I should get while I'm doing all of this, and will these newer power pc's be able to still network with my older macs (I have an si, a classic and a few se's I'd like to hook into a giant network). Thanks!

May 5, 2006 9:23 AM in response to AlaskanZen

AlaskanZen,

If you look at the specs on some of the older systems, namely:
IIci
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112173

and the 6400/180
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112368

you will notice that they share system 7.6.1. Having a LAN based on a common OS where posible will simplify your life. I personnaly do not think that OS 8 is going to give you that much more for your 6400. 8.1 would be a whole different story. At least try a partition on the 6400 with 7.6.1 and see if you like the speed.

Jim

May 5, 2006 1:19 PM in response to Appaloosa mac man

Thanks Jim. I was thinking of retrograding the systems once I get everything updated, but my push to 8.1 and up was so I could complete the following tasks:

Download nettrek

Download any updates these machines need

Run a web browser that will work.

I think your right though, and I also think that to run nettrek, a game designed on a Lisa, I will need to revert to system 7. Do you know if 7 and 6 work well together?

Grant, thanks. I think the power mac has enough ram (64mb I believe, I'll have to look) and I'll try to up the amount and see if that helps. As it was, the browser was crashing continually, with system erros of 3, 2 and 1 occuring (2 seemed to occur the most).

May 5, 2006 9:01 PM in response to AlaskanZen

AlaskanZen,

Obviously, older software like OS 6 did not anticipate all the features of newer systems so having the newer system look back at the old is more productive. OS 7 knows how to look at 6. However, even the SE will run OS 7.5.3 ( I prefer that over 7.5.5) so you might want to consider an external SCSI drive with 7.5.3 to use as an external boot drive for the older Macs while setting up the network. You can move it from CPU to CPU until all is connected the way you like it. Then clone the drive on partitions or extra external drives. 7.5.3 allows you to have clones without licensing issues.

Jim

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