11 Replies Latest reply: Jan 21, 2013 7:53 AM by Terence Devlin
fotocano Level 1 Level 1

I have a 3 year old MacBook Pro with MAC OSX 10.6.8, iPhoto ’09 version 8.1.2 and have downloaded two software programs: one is Aperture 3.2 and the other is Photoshop Elements 9 (which I got from a friend who didn’t need it).

I am totally happy with the way iPhoto organizes my photos and how I can work with iMovie to create slide shows with music from iTunes, etc.

I have been shooting mostly high resolution jpegs and I continue to learn more and more about photography, post processing etc. I realize that the small adjustments I can make in iPhoto are good, and are adequate most of the time. However, a have started to experiment with shooting RAW images and would like to go the next step, ie. post processing.I am totally technically challenged and need SIMPLE, INTUITIVE programs and am certainly NOT anywhere ready for Photoshop CS whatever!

 

After having these programs sit on my computer, I decided to try to see if I could figure them out. When I opened Aperture, this is what first comes up.

 

“Welcome to Aperture 3.2

Your library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of Aperture. Once upgraded, you will not be able to use this library with previous versions of Aperture.

 

Upgrading a library from previous versions of Aperture 3 generally takes a few minutes or less, though larger libraries will take longer. After that, Aperture 3.2 will upgrade your library's thumbnails, but you can use the application during that time.

 

Tip: To open a different library, quit Aperture and hold the Option key down while starting Aperture

 

Current Library Location:

 

Jadzia (home)   -----Pictures------Aperture Library

 

 

                                                  QUIT             UPGRADE”

 

I have heard horror stories  about moving your entire library to Aperture, ending up with 2 libraries, etc. etc. hence my previous reluctance in attempting Aperture. In addition, many of my photography friends are saying: Go with Lightroom 3.....you’ll love it!

 

So here is my dilemma.  I don’t want to mess around with my iPhoto library. All I want to be able to do, is to isolate a few photos, export them to Aperture, Elements, and work on them there, then bring them back into iPhoto.

Can I do this? Should I forget about Aperture and Elements and look at purchasing yet another program like Lightroom?


iPod classic, Mac OS X (10.6.8)
Reply by Old Toad on Jan 20, 2013 1:54 PM Helpful

Export those few photos via the File ➙ Export ➙ File Export menu option with Kind = Original to the Desktop.  Then import them into the Aperture library. That would keep one copy in your iPhoto library and another in your Aperture library to edit, etc.

 

You can use Photoshop Elements 9 from within iPhoto as your editor of choice. However, if you edit a raw file in iPhoto with PSE9 the resulting edited version must be saved outside the iPhoto Library and imported back in as a new file.  For editing jpegs just do a Save (not a Save As) and it all will be kept within iPhoto. 

 

Using Photoshop or Photoshop Elements as Your Editor of Choice in iPhoto.

 

1 - select Photoshop or Photoshop Elememts as your editor of choice in iPhoto's General Preference Section's under the "Edit photo:" menu.

 

iPPSeditor.PNG

 

2 - double click on the thumbnail in iPhoto to open it in Photoshop.  When you're finished editing click on the Save button. If you immediately get the JPEG Options window make your selection (Baseline standard seems to be the most compatible jpeg format) and click on the OK button. Your done. 

 

3 - however, if you get the navigation window

iPPSsave.PNG

 

that indicates that  PS wants to save it as a PS formatted file.  You'll need to either select JPEG from the menu and save (top image) or click on the desktop in the Navigation window (bottom image) and save it to the desktop for importing as a new photo.

 

This method will let iPhoto know that the photo has been editied and will update the thumbnail file to reflect the edit..

 

NOTE: With Photoshop Elements  the Saving File preferences should be configured as shown:

PSE9fileprefs.PNG

 

I also suggest the Maximize PSD File Compatabilty be set to Always.  In PSE’s General preference pane set the Color Picker to Apple as shown:

PSE9genprefs.PNG

 

Note:  to switch between iPhoto and PS or PSE as the editor of choice Control (right)-click on the thumbnail and select either Edit in iPhoto or Edit in External Editor from the contextual menu. If you use iPhoto to edit more than PSE re-select iPhoto in the iPhoto General preference pane. Then iPhoto will be the default editor and you can use the contextual menu to select PSE for your editor when desired.

 

 

OT

Reply by mende1 on Jan 20, 2013 2:01 PM Helpful

It will upgrade your library to be able to use it with this Aperture version, so do it without worrying about what will happen, always that you have backed up the library on a different folder

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  • mende1 Level 10 Level 10
    expertise.desktops
    Desktops

    Before upgrading the Aperture library, go to Pictures folder and copy the library to the Desktop, so you will have a copy if the library upgrade fails. After doing it, upgrade your library without worrying.

     

    First, see if you can use Aperture for what you want to use the application, and then, decide if it's worth for you to install Lightroom

  • Old Toad Level 10 Level 10
    expertise.photosformac
    Photos for Mac

    Export those few photos via the File ➙ Export ➙ File Export menu option with Kind = Original to the Desktop.  Then import them into the Aperture library. That would keep one copy in your iPhoto library and another in your Aperture library to edit, etc.

     

    You can use Photoshop Elements 9 from within iPhoto as your editor of choice. However, if you edit a raw file in iPhoto with PSE9 the resulting edited version must be saved outside the iPhoto Library and imported back in as a new file.  For editing jpegs just do a Save (not a Save As) and it all will be kept within iPhoto. 

     

    Using Photoshop or Photoshop Elements as Your Editor of Choice in iPhoto.

     

    1 - select Photoshop or Photoshop Elememts as your editor of choice in iPhoto's General Preference Section's under the "Edit photo:" menu.

     

    iPPSeditor.PNG

     

    2 - double click on the thumbnail in iPhoto to open it in Photoshop.  When you're finished editing click on the Save button. If you immediately get the JPEG Options window make your selection (Baseline standard seems to be the most compatible jpeg format) and click on the OK button. Your done. 

     

    3 - however, if you get the navigation window

    iPPSsave.PNG

     

    that indicates that  PS wants to save it as a PS formatted file.  You'll need to either select JPEG from the menu and save (top image) or click on the desktop in the Navigation window (bottom image) and save it to the desktop for importing as a new photo.

     

    This method will let iPhoto know that the photo has been editied and will update the thumbnail file to reflect the edit..

     

    NOTE: With Photoshop Elements  the Saving File preferences should be configured as shown:

    PSE9fileprefs.PNG

     

    I also suggest the Maximize PSD File Compatabilty be set to Always.  In PSE’s General preference pane set the Color Picker to Apple as shown:

    PSE9genprefs.PNG

     

    Note:  to switch between iPhoto and PS or PSE as the editor of choice Control (right)-click on the thumbnail and select either Edit in iPhoto or Edit in External Editor from the contextual menu. If you use iPhoto to edit more than PSE re-select iPhoto in the iPhoto General preference pane. Then iPhoto will be the default editor and you can use the contextual menu to select PSE for your editor when desired.

     

     

    OT

  • LarryHN Level 10 Level 10
    expertise.photosformac
    Photos for Mac

    So unless you upgrade to iPhoto '11 version 9.3 and to Aperture 3.3 of newer (which requires an OS upgrade - not sure if uyouor hardware will support the required OS - you need to verify that) you will have two libraries which have no connection to each other - see http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5260?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US for more information

     

    Aperture is basically the same as iPhoto in organizing with more options, has more editing power and is much more powerful in working with RAW

     

    Elements is not a place to store and manage photos - it is a photo editor and can be used as an external editor for either iPhoto or Aperture

     

    Many people find that Aperature eliminates the need for PSE totally or almost totally

     

    Lightroom is a replacement for either iPhoto or Aperture and can nto be used with the database of either, does not integrate into the OS and other programs like iPhoto and Aperature and is more expensive - is it strictly a personal choice - the poeple have chossen not to use it - if you go to the LR forums the people there will have chossen to use it

     

    IMHO if you can your best solution is to upgrade to iPhoto '11 version 9.3 and Aperature 3.3 and get the best of all worlds

     

    LN

  • fotocano Level 1 Level 1

    Thanks. This doesn't totally explain what the Welcome to Aperture message means. What happens if I go to upgrade? Will it import my iPhoto library? I never had a "previous version of Aperture".

  • mende1 Level 10 Level 10
    expertise.desktops
    Desktops

    It will upgrade your library to be able to use it with this Aperture version, so do it without worrying about what will happen, always that you have backed up the library on a different folder

  • fotocano Level 1 Level 1

    I'm pretty sure that my OSX 10.6.8, and iPhoto '09 will support the Aperture 3.2. Again, my philosophy is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"!  I have also read where some users who upgraded from iPhoto '09 to iPhoto '11, weren't happy, and wanted to revert back to iPhoto '09. All I want to do is to do some minor post editing, like working with white balance, converting to B&W, enhancing texture, being able to select areas of the photo which would need editing, working with some curves, and maybe doing some cool stuff, like converting to B&W, but leaving in one element of colour in a balloon or a flower, etc. doing some sharpening, bringing out detail, etc.

  • LarryHN Level 10 Level 10
    expertise.photosformac
    Photos for Mac

    What ever - you pays your money and you makes your choice

     

    iPhoto '11 is just fine - I've read stores about people who won the lottery and weren't happy - but if I win I'll still take the money

     

    Since you are changing it my personal advice is to do it the best way which IMHO is to go to iPhoto '11 version 9.3 and Aperature 3.3 or newer

     

    THat is what I have and I am very happy - you do what ever you want


    LN

  • fotocano Level 1 Level 1

    Here are a few more questions and concerns:


    1)So, I could also back up my iPhoto Library onto another hard drive, right?

    2)Also, does that mean that my photos will now occupy twice as much space on my harddrive as they do now?

     

    3) Will the Aperture Library appear exactly the same as my iPhoto library and my photo organized exactly the same? (they are currently organized by date and by events, with some albums of, say my favourite photos from a trip, which I then use to create a slide show in iMove.)

     

    4) Will i be able to create a slide show in iMovie as easily from Aperture as from iPhoto?

  • fotocano Level 1 Level 1

    Thanks for your MHO. I will take it under advisement and will also check out the link you provided in your first response. I guess if I was a technogeek, I wouldn't be as hesitant to make a "change"!

  • fotocano Level 1 Level 1

    I wonder if someone could answer my questions 1-4 in the above discussion, please? (regarding backing up on a harddrive, space occupied, Aperture library set up and slide shows in iMovie).

  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10
    expertise.ilife
    iLife

    1. Yes.

     

    Most Simple Back Up

     

    Drag the iPhoto Library from your Pictures Folder to another Disk. This will make a copy on that disk.

     

    Slightly more complex:

     

    Use an app that will do incremental back ups. This is a very good way to work. The first time you run the back up the app will make a complete copy of the Library. Thereafter it will update the back up with the changes you have made. That makes subsequent back ups much faster. Many of these apps also have scheduling capabilities: So set it up and it will do the back up automatically. Examples of such apps: Chronosync or DejaVu . But are many others. Search on MacUpdate

     

    2. You'll have a copy of the Library on another drive, so, yes. Twice as much space used, but spread over two drvies.

     

    3. As you have iPhoto 09, no.

     

    4. Yes.