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Q: Upgrading eMac to OSX 10.5 - Problems!

I have an eMac which is running OSX 10.4.11. I need to upgrade it to OSX 10.5 in order to run some new software. When I made the upgrade, my eMac seemed to work except that the spinning pinwheel appeared and won't go away. I can click on items in the dock but I can't do anything else. What did I do wrong in my installation?

eMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Jan 22, 2013 8:06 PM

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  • by BDAqua,Apple recommended

    BDAqua BDAqua Jan 22, 2013 9:42 PM in response to puffteach
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    Jan 22, 2013 9:42 PM in response to puffteach

    Could be many things, we should start with this...

     

    "Try Disk Utility

     

    1. Insert the Mac OS X Install disc, then restart the computer while holding the C key.

    2. When your computer finishes starting up from the disc, choose Disk Utility from the Installer menu at top of the screen. (In Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you must select your language first.)

    *Important: Do not click Continue in the first screen of the Installer. If you do, you must restart from the disc again to access Disk Utility.*

    3. Click the First Aid tab.

    4. Select your Mac OS X volume.

    5. Click Repair Disk, (not Repair Permissions). Disk Utility checks and repairs the disk."

     

    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214

     

    Then try a Safe Boot, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, reboot when it completes.

     

    (Safe boot may stay on the gray radian for a long time, let it go, it's trying to repair the Hard Drive.)

     

    Any change?

  • by Allan Jones,Helpful

    Allan Jones Allan Jones Jan 23, 2013 8:00 AM in response to puffteach
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    Jan 23, 2013 8:00 AM in response to puffteach

    A few things to consider:

     

    1) Did you use a full retail install disk to install Leopard? Looks like this:

     

    leopard_disk.jpg

    The gray system install/restore disks from another Mac wont do a proper job

     

    2) How much free space on your hard drive did the installation leave? If you do the Archive & Install option, the old system folder is retained and that eats HD space. Highlight your hard drive icon on the desktop and then type command i to get this:

     

    volume_ get_info_box.png

    "Available" should be no less than 10-15 percent of "Capacity."

     

    3) How much RAM is installed? Leopard wants more than Tiger; 1GB RAM is the real-world minimum for Leopard. If you have a 1.25Ghz or 1.42gHz eMac, you can safely install up to 2GB RAM if you get the RAM from the right place.

  • by jsmkcmo,

    jsmkcmo jsmkcmo Jan 25, 2013 9:00 AM in response to Allan Jones
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    Jan 25, 2013 9:00 AM in response to Allan Jones

    If you have a 1.25Ghz or 1.42gHz eMac, you can safely install up to 2GB RAM if you get the RAM from the right place.

     

     

    I'm thinking about updating my eMac from 10.4.11 to 10.5 and the RAM from 1GB to 2GB. Where is the "right place" to get the RAM?

    Thanks

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Jan 25, 2013 10:16 AM in response to jsmkcmo
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    Jan 25, 2013 10:16 AM in response to jsmkcmo
  • by Allan Jones,

    Allan Jones Allan Jones Jan 25, 2013 6:40 PM in response to jsmkcmo
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    Jan 25, 2013 6:40 PM in response to jsmkcmo

    BD linked to where I got mine. To make sure you can use 2GB RAM, do "About this Mac" to verify you have a 1.25 or 1.42Ghz processor.

  • by puffteach,

    puffteach puffteach Jan 28, 2013 8:52 PM in response to BDAqua
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    Jan 28, 2013 8:52 PM in response to BDAqua

    I tried steps 1-5 but had the same spinning wheel. Then I tried doing a safe boot. While in safe boot mode I did a software update and downloaded and installed the 10.5.8 combined upgrade. When the computer restarted I was rid of the spinning wheel and able to open most of the programs in my dock. I assumed that it was the software update that did the trick but after reading your post again I'm thinking that it might have been starting up in safe mode that did the needed repairs.  Thanks for your help.

  • by puffteach,

    puffteach puffteach Jan 28, 2013 8:59 PM in response to Allan Jones
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    Jan 28, 2013 8:59 PM in response to Allan Jones

    I installed 512 MB of ram (doubling the ram). I did not notice much of a difference in performance. I have an identical eMac sitting right next to the eMac I am working on and it still is significantly faster. Is there something I need to do after installing more ram? I clicked on About This Mac and the new ram is showing up (it now indicates that I have 1 GB of ram).

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Jan 28, 2013 9:17 PM in response to puffteach
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    Jan 28, 2013 9:17 PM in response to puffteach

    Yes. likely 65% the Safe boot, which also clears many Cache files, 35% the update... which replaces several system files with new ones!

     

    Great to hear.

  • by seabd1,

    seabd1 seabd1 Oct 20, 2015 10:24 AM in response to BDAqua
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    Oct 20, 2015 10:24 AM in response to BDAqua

    Hi,

    I have a Emac with 1Ghz & 768Mb of Ram and 40Gb Hd it's have 2.0 usb

     

    Now I need to install 10.5 from 10.4.11 to run my Epson L200 print,

    Can any one let me know what will be the performance after installing 10.5?

    And can I install 2 Gb in the model?

     

    THANKS...

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Oct 20, 2015 10:52 AM in response to seabd1
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    Oct 20, 2015 10:52 AM in response to seabd1

    Hi,

     

    You can only have 1 GB of RAM in that model.

     

    http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/emac/specs/emac_1.0.html

     

    It'll run 10.5 OK, but will be slower than 10.4.11 because of the Video card.

     

    Do any of these work in 10.4.11?

     

    http://esupport.epson-europe.com/ProductHome.aspx?lng=en-IE&data=0ccCGROWIYN3dXi uwQp6HjgjdJ9OMRlwHjYazQIBWl0U003D&tc=6

     

    As far as Scanning...

     

    VueScan is not a free program, but it supports many scanners. <http://www.hamrick.com/>; The Epson L200 is listed as being supported.

     

     

    For 10.4 printing I think the L210 driver will work...

     

    http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php

     

    I think the last 10.4 version is...

     

    Gutenprint 5.0.2
    gutenprint-5.0.2-ub.dmg  (16.5 MB)

      Gutenprint 5.0.2 is the latest release from the stable branch of Gutenprint 5.0. This release supports additional printers and offers some important bug fixes. It is fully compatible with Mac OS X 10.5.x (Leopard). The updated uninstaller is also included and is Mac OS X 10.5.x compatible.

     

    http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/MacOSX.php

  • by Allan Jones,

    Allan Jones Allan Jones Oct 20, 2015 9:18 PM in response to seabd1
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    Oct 20, 2015 9:18 PM in response to seabd1

    There is a little-known USB 2.0 eMac variant with a 1.0 gHz processor. It was sold exclusively to educational accounts but used ones are on the regular market now. It is mentioned in this everymac.com page:


    http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/emac/specs/emac_1.25.html


    in the italicized text near the end of the text block.


    Other than the processor and optical drive it was identical to the USB 2.0 1.25 ghz models. You can confirm--and you should--by opening System Profiler in Applications > Utilitites and looking at the opening screen, Hardware Overview. The second line, "Machine Model" in OS 10.4, will read PowerMac4,4 if it's the older USB 1.1 logic board, but will read PowerMac 6,4 if USB 2. Only the 6,4 version can use 2GB RAM.

     

    You can also use this Apple article to find the exact model from your serial number:

     

    eMac: How to locate the serial number and identify your model - Apple Support

     

    You should understand that a significant number of the 1.0 and 1.25 ghz USB 2.0 eMacs have a fatal logic board flaw that is no longer economically feasible to fix. See if your computer's serial  number falls in these ranges:

     

    • G8412xxxxxx- G8520xxxxxx
    • YM412xxxxxx - YM520xxxxxx
    • VM440xxxxxx - VM516xxxxxx

     

    If it does, I would not spend any money on it.

     

    I have a 1.42ghz eMac USB 2.0 that has 10.5.8 and 2GB RAM. It runs quite well for an 11-year old computer.

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Oct 21, 2015 10:24 AM in response to Allan Jones
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    Oct 21, 2015 10:24 AM in response to Allan Jones

    I have a 1.42ghz eMac USB 2.0 that has 10.5.8 and 2GB RAM. It runs quite well for an 11-year old computer.

    Yes, my most reliable Mac outside of my Quadra/630... just wish I was able to lift it!

  • by Allan Jones,

    Allan Jones Allan Jones Oct 21, 2015 11:04 AM in response to BDAqua
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    Oct 21, 2015 11:04 AM in response to BDAqua
    Yes, my most reliable Mac outside of my Quadra/630... just wish I was able to lift it!


    Oh yes! I tried upgrading the RAM in ours about six months after shoulder surgery. The RAM upgrade had to wait until Dear Son was visiting.


    According to EveryMac.com it weighs 50 pounds. With no easy place to grab on, it seems even heavier!

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Oct 21, 2015 11:17 AM in response to Allan Jones
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    Oct 21, 2015 11:17 AM in response to Allan Jones

    Since it was an educational model, I bet not many were stolen from classrooms!

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