How to manage large numbers of audio files?

I currently have substantially more tracks (files) than I have room for on my iPod. What I've been doing so far is to import only enough files into iTunes that will fit on my iPod, and I leave the rest in folders on my hard drive. Then, when it comes time to "rotate" tracks off of the iPod, and put others on, I usually do a couple of steps.

1) I 'Delete' the tracks from iTunes that I want to "archive", but click on "Keep Files", rather than sending them to the Recycle Bin.

2) I then Import enough folders to fill up my iPod again.

(I try to keep my actual folders and files in a fairly easy-to-manage hierarchical structure, so that I can quickly find entire albums, or entire artists, and import them back into iTunes.) Then, the next time I synch my iPod, I've got the new tracks replacing the ones I removed.

The drawback to this is that I don't have a single place where I can manage, organize, search, etc. on ALL of my music tracks at one time. That's because they're never ALL in iTunes at the same time.

Can someone tell me if there's a way to do this more easily? For instance, could I actually import ALL of my tracks into iTunes (thus having way more than my iPod can hold), but then somehow selectively tell iTunes which ones I want to be considered "active" -- that is, for the purpose of synching files? That way, I could always see ALL of my tracks in iTunes, manage them, search them, and so on; but not necessarily put all of them on my iPod at the same time.

BTW, I'm talking about very high numbers here -- not just importing and removing 10 or 20 tracks at a time, but literally hundreds, perhaps even thousands. (I have a 60GB iPod, but over 20,000 tracks.) So any suggestions must address the ease-of-use issue for large numbers of files -- such as handling them by folders, or groups of folders.

Thanks in advance,


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Posted on May 8, 2006 2:26 PM

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May 8, 2006 2:43 PM in response to Frank Nicodem

The solution to your problem may well be selecting the Automatically ipdate selected playlists only option in the iTunes Edit menu > Preferences > iPod tab.

That way you can keep all your music on your computer and in iTunes but only the playlists you select will be transferred to your iPod.

There's not much documentation in the Apple Knowledge Base but have a look at the end of this article:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61148

Any further questions, post back.

May 9, 2006 5:34 PM in response to The Mimico Kid

Thanks for the pointer to that URL. It contained some interesting information. Right near the end (as you pointed out), it says:

"You can also set iTunes to automatically update iPod with selected songs or playlists only. This is useful if you only want to transfer a portion of your music library to iPod."

The only thing is, they don't say how to do that. Making an intuitive guess, based on the options supplied in the iTunes Preferences window, I would suspect that I would need to a) check the box that says "Manually manage songs and playlists", b) also check the box below that, which says "Only update checked songs", and then c) make sure that I "check" (or "uncheck") all appropriate songs, so that I never try to put more music on my iPod than it can hold!

Does that sound like it would work? If so, then I could just check the 15,000 songs that are on the iPod now, import all the rest of my music library, but leave them UNCHECKED, until I wanted to "rotate" them onto the iPod -- at which time I'd have to "uncheck" ones I wished to remove from the iPod. Does that sound like I'm understanding it correctly?

Thanks.

May 9, 2006 7:47 PM in response to Frank Nicodem

Frank, no, don't mess with the checkmarks, that's a big hassle.

Just use smart playlists and the automatic update using selected playlists function.

Such as,
smart playlist = "unlistened jazz past 3 months"

Match ALL of the rules
Genre contains jazz
Last played is not in the last 3 months
Limit to 10G selected by random
Match only checked songs
Live updating

Then have your iPod options set to update using these playlists, for example
- My Top Rated
- Purchased
- Unlistened jazz past 3 months

Or whatever smart playlists you come up with, like 50s music or Recently Added, Blues playcount=0, etc.

Message was edited by: Katrina S.

May 10, 2006 5:57 AM in response to Katrina S.

Thanks for the suggestion. Here's my problem using playlists to update my tracks. (And maybe I'm missing something, so feel free to bring me up to date, if I am.) I have roughly 15,000 tracks on my iPod right now. I have another 6-7,000 on my hard drive, but not in my iTunes music library. I want to be able to "rotate" albums in and out, but keep the maximum to the current 15,000 (since my iPod is now "full").

Doing the rotation based on something like "tracks I haven't listened to in xxx days" wouldn't work, since there are LOTS of those 15,000 tracks that I haven't listened to in a long time -- but I do like having them there, and don't want to delete them. In fact, using playlists *at all* for this updating seems like more work, as I would then need to continually be modifying my playlists, right?

I suppose I could just have one ENORMOUS playlist of EVERYTHING I want to put on my iPod. And then modify that playlist as I rotate albums in and out. But is that very different than using the checkmark approach?

Also, I did try the checkmark thing briefly this morning, and I'm disappointed to find that it does NOT work as I suspected. (I sure wish that one Apple article had mentioned HOW it's supposed to work!) I went into iTunes, made sure that my iPod was updated according to what was in my music library at the time. Then I "unchecked" all the tracks in one album, as a test. I re-synched my iPod, expecting that the "unchecked" tracks would disappear. They did not. So it appears that the check mark is more of an indicator of which tracks to *look at* during a synchronization process. And if certain tracks aren't checked, then they won't be updated -- which includes being removed!

So I still see no way to remove tracks from my iPod, but leave them in my iTunes music library.

Is this really an "abnormal" thing to do??? I would have thought it would have come up before...

May 12, 2006 12:10 PM in response to Katrina S.

OK, to put this to rest, I think I've finally got something I can work with. I took your suggestion, and tried a "super-playlist". In other words, I just made a playlist from everything in my current iTunes music library. I then reset the Preferences so that, instead of updating everything on my iPod, it only updates using this "super-playlist". (The first time through, that was the ONLY playlist I checked. Then I found that all my other playlists disappeared from the iPod! So I discovered that I had to go back and check each of them, as well.)

So far, so good. Updating seemed to work OK. Then I took the next step -- which was to add another 5,000 tracks to the iTunes music library (but NOT to the "super-playlist" -- yet). I made sure that they got imported and organized correctly, and that I could now view ALL of my tracks in iTunes.

Finally, I did another iPod Update... wondering if it would "overflow"... but it worked just as it was supposed to. It didn't try to add ANY of the new tracks to the iPod (which is what I wanted).

So now, I expect that the proper sequence of events to "rotate" music off of, and onto, my iPod would be to a) decide what I want to remove, b) delete those entries FROM THE SUPER-PLAYLIST, BUT NOT THE MUSIC LIBRARY, c) decide what I want to "rotate in", d) drag those entries TO the super-playlist, and e)synchronize the iPod.

Just as a side question, I now have a "playlist" of 15,000 tracks -- a playlist that I will never, obviously, use as an actual playlist (i.e., to listen to). Isn't that an awfully large file to copy to the iPod, when it'll never be used there? In other words, I only need it for the iTunes synchronization. Is there any way to leave it there for that purpose, and say "Don't copy the playlist itself to the iPod"?

May 12, 2006 12:34 PM in response to Frank Nicodem

.... proper sequence of events to "rotate" music off of, and onto, my iPod would ....

Sure, that will work. There are a ton of ways to do what you want, all personal preferences....so pick what makes sense to you.

And for your other question
Is there any way to leave it there for that purpose, and say "Don't copy the playlist itself to the iPod"?

Sure, if you are automatically syncing selected playlists, and it is not selected, then it won't go to the iPod.

May 12, 2006 1:35 PM in response to Katrina S.

Frank,

Just to add a brief addition to Katrina's excellent advice.

Your creation of one Super-Playlist is certainly one approach for transferring music to your iPod.

But you might also consider making use of several "Not-so-super" Playlists .

Not knowing the nature of your extensive music library, I can't give specific suggestions but as a general idea you could create smart playlists defined by Genre, Artist, or Play Count and select various combinations of them to synch with your iPod. Using the Comment field as a basis for the playlists could also be a useful method.

For other ideas on how to put Smart Playlists to work, have a look at: http://www.smartplaylists.com/

In closing, though, I'll just repeat Katrina's comment:

There are a ton of ways to do what you want, all personal preferences....so pick what makes sense to you.

May 12, 2006 2:13 PM in response to The Mimico Kid

curtsies To The Mimico Kid

Well, Frank, I agree with Mimico - your super playlist doesn't make sense to me, but my example didn't make sense for you, so there you go!

I think the more you play around with smart playlists, the more you'll like them.

And you can force certain ones to be on the top of the Source List by naming them with starting symbols
!eMusic
#ipod filler

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