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Bejeeber Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

I have an early 2008 Mac Pro that's new to me, it doesn't have a Mac OS installed (the previous owner just had Windows installed - BOO!).

 

I've installed a new blank HD in this 2008 Mac Pro for a system drive, and it's jsut sitting there ready for a snazzy new OS.

 

I have a Snow Leopard install disk that the previous owner supplied. When I load it into the optical drive bay and hold option at startup I get the disc selection display, I select the install DVD, things start spinning, but soon it hangs on a graphically corrupted looking Apple logo screen. I've left it overnight like that just in case, but of course it was still just sitting there like that.

 

Hey I don't even know if that's a good way to install the OS though. I do have a PPC G5 sitting here and am thinking I could install an OS from it to the newer machine via firewire?

 

Or in a real pinch I could put that blank new HD in my G5, install an OS on it, then put it back into the newer Mac Pro....?

 

Then there's the question of do I install this pesky Snow Leopard, then upgarde to Mountain Lion, or go straight to Mountan Lion or WHA?? This Mac will be used for audio production.

 

Thanks.


Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.8), 8 core, 2.8 Ghz, 16 GB RAM
  • 1. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (226,765 points)

    Give this a try:

     

    Booting From An OS X Installer Disc

     

      1. Insert OS X Installer Disc into the optical drive.

      2. Restart the computer.

      3. Immediately after the chime press and hold down the "C" key.

      4. Release the key when the spinning gear below the dark gray Apple logo

          appears.

      5. Wait for installer to finish loading.

     

    If you still have a problem then start considering possible reasons:

     

    1. Distorted video may mean a defective GPU.
    2. The Snow Leopard DVD is defective or dirty.
    3. The optical drive's laser is dirty.

     

    You cannot boot an Intel computer from a PPC version of OS X such as for your G5. Don't bother with it.

  • 2. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,880 points)

    Confirm what graphic card it has.

     

    ML can work, some do just fine, but a number of people went back and stuck with 10.6.8: they need PowerPC and Rosetta, power management seems better and fewer issues.

     

    If you won't use Windows but have a Windows DVD then nuke and zero the drive totally first, then boot from Mac OS 10.6.x DVD.

     

    G5s just the OS being present is trouble enough, as said, it won't boot or load at all.

     

    And you should zap PRAM from cold boot to clear up nvram.

     

    Try the DVD w/o any disk drive inside, just slide it out while shutdown, it should be able to boot the DVD that  way just fiine.

  • 3. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,250 points)
    Mac Pro
    Date introduced

     

    Original Mac OS X included
    (see Tips 1 and 3)

    Later Mac OS X included
    (see Tip 1)

    Mac OS X Build(s)
    (see Tip 2)

    Mac Pro (Mid 2012)Jun 201210.7.310.8 11D2001, 12A269
    Mac Pro (Mid 2010)Aug 201010.6.410.7, 10.7.2, 10.7.310F2521, 10F2554, 11A511a, 11C74, 11D2001
    Mac Pro with Mac OS X Server (Mid 2010)Aug 201010.6.410.7, 10.7.2, 10.7.3 (Server)10F2522, 11A511a, 11C74, 11D2001 (Server)
    Mac Pro (Early 2009)Mar 200910.5.610.69G3553, 10A432
    Mac Pro (Early 2008)

    Jan 2008

    10.5.1

    10.5.2, 10.5.4

    9B2117, 9C2031, 9E25
    Mac Pro

    Aug 2006

    10.4.7

    10.4.8, 10.4.9, 10.4.10, 10.5

    8K1079, 8N1430, 8N1250, 8K1124, 8P4037, 8R3032, 8R3041, 9A581, 9A3129

     

    .

     

    So a 2008 model that is working correctly should boot any genuine Apple, pressed, silkscreened, "Full Retail" DVD after 10.5.1

     

    .

  • 4. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    Bejeeber Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    Thanks tons everyone,

     

    Sheesh, starting to fear now that I still have graphics card issues while trying to get this thing up and running, despite having recently ordered and installed this one from macvidcards:

     

    Nvidia GT120 for 2008 & up Mac Pro Dual DVI

     

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nvidia-GT120-for-2008-up-Mac-Pro-Dual-DVI-DaVinci-Resolv e-Runs-2-30-/230840996693?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160

     

    I've tried holding C on startup a few times and these were the results:

     

    Gray screen with Apple logo and spinning gear appears fine, and sits there doing that for a good while, while I hear the optical drive being accessed, then at one point the gear stops, and all goes graphically to ****, where either the apple logo gets a horizontal dropout running across it with some fluttery/sketchy looking vertical noise, or the screen goes to blank gray on the top 1/3, black on the bottom 2/3. The sound of the DVD being read soon thereafter stops.

     

    Once during this process I got a "no signal input check video cable" message.

     

    I believe I have ruled out these:

     

    1. The Snow Leopard DVD is defective or dirty.
    2. The optical drive's laser is dirty.

     

    .....because  when I boot with Windows from the Windows drive that is still in there - knowing that this is not a Windows video card I have installed -  I get the same sort of results: the "Starting Windows" screen with it's hi-def *throbbing* logo graphic looks perfectly fine, and even the next admin screen comes up perfect sometimes. Then the graphics become corrupted and it flashes a DOS looking screen with stuff like 'preventing damage' and 'attempting to reset the display driver' before it re-boots itself.

     

    When I had a windows vid card still installed Windows booted fine.

     

    I've zapped the PRAM from cold boot to clear up nvram.

     

    Also, have tried both reseating the graphics card in it's slot 1 and moving it to slot 2

     

    Will try the DVD w/o any disk drive inside Hatter, if you think that is still worth trying.

  • 5. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    gen_ Level 2 Level 2 (335 points)

    The hardware could also be defective. Remember that OSX accesses parts of your logic board Windows cannot even see to ensure it's on real Apple hardware. Failures with these parts of the board would cause completely unpredictable results and also explain the reason that the last user has only installed Windows (which would have required deliberatly deleting a OSX partition after the installation and thus severing backup options - frankly a silly thing to do)

  • 6. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    Bejeeber Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    Also I just remembered that I have access to a intel MacBook with optical drive running OS 10.5.8 - maybe I could do the OS install via firewire from it if that sort of thing becomes necessary...?

  • 7. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    gen_ Level 2 Level 2 (335 points)

    I don;t see why things would be any differnt. If you have another Mac, it may be smarter to install to another Mac and then take the hard drive across. If you have no Macs that can take a full sized SATA hard drive and no enclosures knocking around then you may dismiss this idea to a 'if nothing else works' move, but if not it's probably the most reliable way to do so.

     

    BTW have you tried booting from your laptop in target disk mode to see if it isn't an issue with the Apple parts of your Mac or the drive itself?

  • 8. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,250 points)

    If you are booting a Mac Pro from an Appropriate genuine Apple "full Retail" DVD later than the version I mentioned above, the DVD is an "Incorruptible" source of software.

     

    The Mac Pro uses Error Correcting Code Memory --single errors are corrected on the fly with no slowdown and double-bit errors halt with a Kernel panic. It's not a Memory Hardware problem. Mac OS X runs with memory protection on -- attempts to write out-of-bounds cause a kernel panic with Memory Protection Fault or Page Fault. The software is not going crazy.

    all goes graphically to ****, where either the apple logo gets a horizontal dropout running across it with some fluttery/sketchy looking vertical noise, or the screen goes to blank gray on the top 1/3, black on the bottom 2/3.

     

    Those are graphics Hardware issues, not signs of software problems,

  • 9. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    barrypless Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I dont know if you have coverd this already but I am trying to help my son who is an ER doc. His Imac internal HDD died and he has been running 10.5 from an external. I persuaded him to get 10.6 and he tried installing it (after an overnight session in the ER!) and after holding the C etc. it got to 20% and hung. I suggested he try a reset by removing power etc. but he has a ? on screen which I believe means it cant find the internal HDD. Apart from replacing the internal which he should have done a year ago (but apple wanted about $500 to do it!) is disk utility likely to be available from the external which he may have messed up by now with the aborted install attempt? If not, any other suggestions? If you ARE in vancouver you should know that we are freezing here in Montreal!

  • 10. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    gen_ Level 2 Level 2 (335 points)

    Absolutely. Disk Utility from the boot disk should detect USB drives as well. But if your install hung, you may have to wipe in order to reinstall unfortunately.

  • 11. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,745 points)

    Bejeeber wrote:

     

    Or in a real pinch I could put that blank new HD in my G5, install an OS on it, then put it back into the newer Mac Pro....?

     

    In case you are not aware, software written for the G5, known as PowerPC applications, requires Rosetta to be installed for it to work in emulation on the newer Intel CPU Macs.  Snow Leopard has this as an option install (I also recommend you install QuickTime 7 if you go with Snow Leopard).

     

    If you go up to Lion or Mt. Lion, you will lose Rosetta and its ability to run these PowerPC apps. 

     

    Do you have any plans to continue to run this software on Lion or Mt. Lion, and if so, which apps are they (so we can advise you appropriately).

  • 12. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    Bejeeber Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    I do have a heckuva lot of software in the form of audio/music apps, much of it as plug-ins that I use in Logic.

     

    And I do hope to be able to open and run still fully functioning versions of my past Logic 8  projects, plug-ins and all.

     

    Here's some of my software I'll need to keep running, most (or all?) of which I believe there are Intel versions of, which I won't be aver$e to upgrading to:

     

    Vienna Symphonic Library

    Sample Manager

    Redmatica EXS manager Pro

    Retrospect 6

    Audio damage Discord 2

    Audio damage Replicant

    Audio damage Vapor

    AudioEase Altiverb 6

    AudioEase Rivber Run

    Camell Audio CamelPhat

    Camell Audio CamelSpace

    Melodyne Plug-in Celemony

    digitalfishphones blockfish

    Amplitube X-Gear

    Amplitube 2

    Amplitube Jimi Hendrix

    IK Multimedia Sampletron

    Line 6 Gearbox

    Line 6 POD farm

    Native Instruments Absynth 3 and 4

    Native Instruments Komplete 5

    Native Instruments Stormdrum

    Native Instruments Symphonic Choirs

    Native Instruments EWQLSO

    PSPaudioware Mix Pack

    PSPaudioware Nitro

    Sofftube Tube Delay

    Prosoniq Morph

    Waves L1

    Vicomsoft FTP client

  • 13. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,745 points)

    I have no direct experience with Logic, but I believe that there is an upgrade available for Intel.

     

    Separate plugins written for Logic may have PowerPC problems.

  • 14. Re: Best way to install an OS in this situation - and which OS anyhoo?
    gen_ Level 2 Level 2 (335 points)

    Logic itself will work fine in OSX, but beware that I have heard running Logic 8 in 0.7 or later is a pain and unsupported.

     

    As for your plugins. there are a few I know have issues.

     

    EWQLSO's built in plugin interface is PPC only and uses EWQL PLAY or Kontakt on intel Macs. It ill be fine for making new stuff but you will lose the ability to just open up old files (you will have to load the new plugin and load the patch/ program the settings again). Absynth 3 I think has  similar problems and fails L9 verification too.

     

    I can confirm every other one works (with updates) except the follwing which I have not used or seen used:

     

    Sample Manager

    Retrospect 6

    Audio damage Replicant

    Audio damage Vapor

    AudioEase Rivber Run

    digitalfishphones blockfish

    Amplitube X-Gear

    Vicomsoft FTP client

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