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60p vs 60i video quality

Sorry for asking a very common question but every thread I've searched tends to go down a tangent that doesn't quite answer my question.


I have a Panasonic camcorder that records in 1080 60p or 60i.

My question is video quality. Even though all my output is going to be turned into 30 fps for Apple TV viewing or 30i for YouTube distribution, is my video quality going to be higher, shooting in 60p with a data rate of 34 MB/s vs 60i at 17 MB/s whether the subject is fast moving or not. My thought is to shoot in 60p at the higher data rate even though it will be converted to 30 fps and possible even interlaced for youtube, due to I am dealing with full frames, not interlaced frames and at a higher data rate. Is my logic correct?

I know the file size is doubled shooting in 60p vs 60i, but if the video quality is higher, then I am willing to make that sacrafic.



I guess a follow up question would be, how does FCP convert 60p video into 30i video.


Thanks for your help.

Posted on Jan 25, 2013 5:18 PM

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Jan 25, 2013 9:49 PM in response to Joe Herth

Russ, I enjoyed your link. Tom I appreciate your expertise.


Does doubling my data rate from 17 to 34 gain me much?


The reason I thought YouTubes file was interlaced was due to, after creating the file for youtube in compressor, I brought it back into FC and it showed a frame rate of 29.97 and field dominance of upper (odd), not none. I thought that ment it was interlaced.

Jan 25, 2013 10:51 PM in response to Joe Herth

Doubling the data rate will improve the picture but not if you're doubling the frame rate as well. Data rate is punt per second. You need a higher amount if you're generating twice as many frames.


You should check the fields in FCP with both fields visible in an area of motion to make sure there are no fields. If there are fields Compressor is not processing the material properly.

Jan 26, 2013 12:47 AM in response to Joe Herth

Avoid shooting interlaced videos!


I work in the entertainment industry and only shoot 60p to be displayed at 60fps for maximum smoothness - not for slow-motion playback.


Shooting 24p or 30p: 1/60sec or slower shutter speeds must be used to introduce motion blur to lessen, not eliminate, the choppy appearance. Shooting with slow shutter speeds under bright sunlight, ND filters are required to control depth of field and to prevent sensor dusts from showing up prominently at F11 on up.



60p: Since 60fps videos will turn out smooth even with shutter set well above 1/60sec, Aperture Priority can be used to control depth of field under bright sunlight without an absolute need for ND filters. Filmmakers - James Cameron, Peter Jackson, and George Lucas - have all produced 60-frame-per-second projects when they are not required to shoot 24fps - Avatar 2 & 3, King Kong Universal attraction, and Star Wars Star Tours attraction - because they believe 60fps delivers a more lifelike and immersive experience.


Once again - avoid shooting interlaced videos!

Jan 26, 2013 10:20 AM in response to Joe Herth

Some more explainations:


1080 60p = 60 1920X1080 frames per second - the smoothest and the future of HD video.

1080 60i = 60 1920X540 interlaced fields recorded on 30 frames per second - half the resolution.

1080 60i can also = 30 1920X1080 frames recorded in 60i progressive segmented frame format - how many consumer AVCHD camcorders and digital cameras record 1080 30p.


Apple TV, YouTube, and Vimeo WILL eventually support 60p videos in the near future since more and more cameras shoot 60p!


Vimeo 1080 60p group: http://vimeo.com/groups/native1920x108060pclips


By the way, the latest iMovie and FCP already can output 60p videos and the newer Adobe Flash Player can play them smooth from the internet on the newer computers.

Jan 26, 2013 10:58 AM in response to A.Y.

"1080 60i = 60 1920X540 interlaced fields recorded on 30 frames per second - half the resolution."


This is a misrepresentation. It's not 1920x540 at 30fps, but 1920x540 in 1/60th of a second. 1920x1080 in 30fps.


The current delivery for no devices even Blu-ray supports 60p. You can put 60p on the web and probably half your viewers or more will get stuttering playback or long downloads or caching delays.


Your choice: produce for what's deliverable now or for what will be deliverable in the future. Personally I prefer 720p30 for production for web delivery.

Jan 26, 2013 12:43 PM in response to Joe Herth

First of all, I feel honored to get such expert advise from people I've grown to look up to. Thank you.

Karsten, I liked your article. It made a lot of since.


Some thoughts:


1. Sounds like a lot of advise is to output in 720p30.

Since my camera only shoots in 1080 60i or 60p, and not in 720p30, am I getting a similar effect shooting in 60i and bringing it into FC on a 29.97 timeline? Doing that, the FC sequence looks like it is interlaced. Even though the preview does not. (Since the field dominance shows top(odd)), Do I need to specify a progressive sequence? I'm assuming 60i is not the same as 30p. If not, what is FC doing with the extra 30 frames?


2. Tom, thanks for your comment on data rate. Makes since that progressive requires double the data rate to achieve the same quality as interlaced. Not sure if this is correct but it almost appears that data rate and files size is somewhat linear. Somewhat. Double the data rate and the file size doubles.


3. What is the advantage of shooting or outputting in 720 vs. 1080? Is it due to, it requires almost half the data rate (file size) as 1080 for a similar quality? and playing 720 vs 1080 is less taxing on the viewers computer or devise? and is this due to a smaller data rate needed?

If the above is correct, is your advise still the same if my camera only shoots in 1080.


Am I starting to make since or am I still looking through muddy glasses? 😊

60p vs 60i video quality

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