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budspwr Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I have two Airport Extreme.  One is the newer 3Tb Time Machine which is is my prime router/backup and the other is a 4th Generation Extreme.  I have most everything going through the Time Machine but I also have a piece of equipment connected through a Cat5/Ethernet cable to the other Airport Extreme so as to view the information on the connected equipment via the Airport Extreme for internet servicing.

 

Can Airport equipment talk to other Airport equipment without changing Base Stations?  If so, how is the setup made?


Mac Pro (Mid 2012), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), Other Mac's linked to Airport
  • LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (42,625 points)

    You will need to give us some more info.

     

    How are the two Airport Extremes connected.. ?

     

    I am guessing that the 3TB Time Machine is not an Airport Extreme.. .it is a Time Capsule.. it gets confusing but helps if we keep all the terminology correct.

     

    Time Machine .. software in the computer for backup.

    Time Capsule.. An Airport Extreme with a built in hard disk.

    Airport Extreme.. Apple's main wireless router.

     

     

     

    Can Airport equipment talk to other Airport equipment without changing Base Stations?  If so, how is the setup made?

    If they are connected by ethernet or wireless yes, you can have a computer see both in the same network.. but they will have to be in the same network. If they are in different networks then even if connected the setup is much more tricky.

     

    So we need to know how the two are connected.. what mode are they both in.. and are they in the same IP network.

     

    If they have no connection, what is possible? Are they able to be connected by ethernet? Or by wireless which means one has to extend the network of the other.

     

    Tell us what you are trying to achieve might help us know what will work.

  • Bud Willner Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)

    It is an Apple Time Capsule.  At least it has a hard drive for computer backups and is a router to which I connect a printer and the fiber optic internet via a Cat5 cable.

     

    I have two digital security systems and which to view real time and the recorded results while away from home.  One digital video recorder (DVR) is wired via Ethernet to the time capsule/router and the other DVR is Ethernet to an Apple Airport extreme 1st generation (has a green light).  I have a 4th generation Airport Extreme but cannot get a green light out of it while hooked to the 2nd DVR, even using Airport Utility 5.6.  Hope this makes sense.

     

    So, the reason for the question is an attempt to see both DVR's outputs via remote monitoring on a laptop.

  • LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (42,625 points)

    Ok, you have a couple of issues.

     

    One is that you cannot use the same access port on both DVR.. port forwarding for access can only access one device on one port.

     

    How exactly are you logging into the network?

     

    Are you using BTMM and iCloud or direct login to the main TC or some other router?

     

    Are you using a VPN system instead?

     

    Is it purely using browser to view the dvr or is special software involved?

     

    I don't think I can do anything without answers to the above.

     

    But if you want to do this.. vpn is the right way.. far superior to any other method.. where your remote device becomes part of the network and you don't need to do port forwarding.

     

    TC has no vpn and you would need to use a proper vpn router to achieve this.

  • Bud Willner Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)

    One is that you cannot use the same access port on both DVR.. port forwarding for access can only access one device on one port.

     

    OK, I WILL LOOK OVER THEM PORTD ON EACH DVR, E.G., MAKE ONE 80 AND THE OTHER 81 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

     

    How exactly are you logging into the network?

     

     

    Are you using BTMM and iCloud or direct login to the main TC or some other router?

     

    DIRECT LOG INTO THE TC.

     

    Are you using a VPN system instead?

     

    NO

     

    Is it purely using browser to view the dvr or is special software involved?

     

    USING THE BROWSER.

     

    I don't think I can do anything without answers to the above.

     

     

    But if you want to do this.. vpn is the right way.. far superior to any other method.. where your remote device becomes part of the network and you don't need to do port forwarding.

     

    I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH VPN EXCEPT THAT BUSINESS'S USE IT AS YOU MENTION.  NEED TO FIND A PLACE TO WORK MY WAY INTO IT.

     

    TC has no vpn and you would need to use a proper vpn router to achieve this.

     

    THAT'S A BEGINNING OF A LOT OF EFFORT AND COST.  WOULDN'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT THE VPN ROUTER.

  • LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (42,625 points)

    Yes, try port translating.. or using different ports..either way should work.

     

    And certainly using VPN is a lot harder way to go.. except that it works.. once you actually buy proper hardware.. a vpn router.. it would replace the TC which would go into bridge mode and can continue to provide backup and wireless. VPN routers are not that expensive and offer vastly superior security.

     

    You need to understand you are punching holes into the local network. On a very key port.

     

    And port forwarding can be a major pain keep running as well.. although it is not going to cost you more in hardware.. just hair!!

  • budspwr Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I don't have any hair ;-)

     

    Wirelessly, I would go to my TC and then to the VPN router, correct?  Since I have two DVR's would I need two VPN units?  If I'm going to go this method, I would need a bit of information.

  • LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (42,625 points)

    budspwr wrote:

     

    I don't have any hair ;-)

     

    So you have been doing computers for a while.

     

     

    Wirelessly, I would go to my TC and then to the VPN router, correct?  Since I have two DVR's would I need two VPN units?  If I'm going to go this method, I would need a bit of information.

    Yes, although the actual setup would depend on the product. Generally I would go a cheap and simple vpn unit. And keep as much of the rest running as it was, with the TC in bridge and still providing wireless and TM backup to the network.

     

    How do you get broadband.. it is hugely different if you use adsl, to cable to fibre to 3G/4G.

     

    Indeed you could run vpn behind the existing router if you only want external access. That would put the DVR on a separate network to the main one.

     

    There are plenty of ways to skin the proverbial cat.

     

    Go slowly as once you commit yourself down the path it is hard to pull back.

     

    I guess I would try to get port forwarding to work.. to one camera/dvr first.. as that in itself can be a good exercise as somewhere along the way you need to do some of this to get vpn running.

     

    So tell me more info..

     

    And I do have one question.. exactly how are you trying to access the camera now.. I want to see the exact command you use in the browser remotely to attempt the connection. Because Apple Routers do not have dyndns and most people do not have static public IP addresses.

     

    I would also like to see some screen shots of your port forwarding setup.

     

    And please do use 5.6 utility.. I have a nasty idea.. 6.1 just doesn't work.

  • Bud Willner Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)

    Yes, I've been in it since '55 (Univac & Aerospace).  Now retired with set income, adding VPN accounts leaves me somewhat hesitant.

     

    I'm wireless to my TC/TM, Cat3 wired to the fiber optic interchange box, and fiber out to the internet (ISP).

     

    The plan you suggest is what I have been trying.  Seeing I had two DVR's to work with, I wanted to be prepared for putting both out to see them when on vacation or what ever and that's why I posed the question.

     

    Port forwarding seems to be a problem as does the DVR does not see a proper IP address.  One is aired directly to the TC/TM box and should pop in correctly but doesn't.  I'm curious about the IP, MAC address, DEV port number (8880), and Port 80 settings.  It may be that my ISP is blocking 80.

     

    How is suppose to work is that I get an IP address from Iplanding which is the TC/TM aIP address, insert that IP number into the Browser URL address box and I'm to see what my cameras see..  Problem is that the DVR box does not have the proper IPP address, i.e., one that starts with 196.xx.xx.xx.

     

    I have tried Portfowarding and they see the TC/TM IP address.  When attempting to get a port forward, the web program asks for the router maker (Apple), the router (the Airport extreme), what software I want to forward which I have no idea.

     

    So, yes I'm still confused.

     

    I do use Airport Utility 5.6 and 6.1 (now and then) to see functionality.

     

     

    Message was edited by: Bud Willner

  • Bud Willner Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)

    There does not seem to be a way to add a Grap file.

  • LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (42,625 points)

    Bud Willner wrote:

     

    There does not seem to be a way to add a Grap file.

    ?? you mean screenshot ??? just click the little camera ^^ up there.. and select a screen shot you do on the computer.. makes life a heck of a lot easier if i can see what you are doing.

     

    Take it one step at a time because it sounds like you have a rather complex way of getting internet. If you have double NAT in there somewhere,,, you are dead.. no way will this work.

     

    Please open a terminal on a computer and type

    traceroute 8.8.8.8

     

    The result will show me how many NATs you are passing through. Copy and paste the result here thusly.

     

    macproie-5:~ Ray$ traceroute 8.8.8.8

    traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

    1  bigpond (192.168.2.254)  63.453 ms  96.763 ms  99.969 ms

    2  adsl1.mel.dft.com.au (203.123.69.176)  8.905 ms  9.655 ms  7.937 ms

    3  tge0-1-0-308.core0.mel.dft.com.au (203.123.72.73)  9.163 ms  9.094 ms  9.136 ms

    4  ve420.er01.mel01.vic.plat.net.au (14.137.114.25)  9.043 ms  8.590 ms  9.112 ms

    5  eth2-1.bdr01.syd01.nsw.plat.net.au (202.62.143.121)  21.322 ms  21.331 ms  22.032 ms

    6  google.syd02.nsw.plat.net.au (202.62.143.65)  21.572 ms  21.779 ms  22.303 ms

    7  72.14.237.21 (72.14.237.21)  21.493 ms  21.272 ms  21.634 ms

    8  google-public-dns-a.google.com (8.8.8.8)  21.162 ms  21.338 ms  22.006 ms

     

    And find out your public IP.

    http://whatismyipaddress.com/

     

    Don't post that address.. mine is static so I don't want people to see it. The traceroute doesn't matter.. internal addresses are not routable and the external address is the ISP.

     

    That is the IP that must appear on the WAN side of the one and only NAT router you have between you and the camera.. if you cannot see that IP then you cannot reach them.

     

    summary page TC.png

    Here is summary page of an unconnected TC.. it is showing the IP address down the bottom but since it has no connection it produces a self assigned address..

  • Bud Willner Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)

    http://whatismyipaddress.com/  Has  given/verified the IP address.

     

    Your summary page looks like mine except I have a number of wireless Clients.  You mention WAN but I have everything on LAN (I thought) and MAC addressing is not enabled but NAT is enabled.  IPv6 is set at 'Link-local only'.  I do see you have no wireless security whereas I have WPA2 Personal (using the 5Ghz setup).  Frankly, we are in an area where such security is really not needed - Farm.  Connection sharing is set at 'Share a public IP address'.  Should I change any of these?

     

    Buds-Desktop-6:~ bud$ traceroute 8.8.8.8

    traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

    1  10.0.1.1 (10.0.1.1)  3.594 ms  0.706 ms  0.640 ms

    2  216-24-77-1.access.naxs.com (216.24.77.1)  2.644 ms  2.499 ms  2.142 ms

    3  216-24-99-190.unassigned.ntelos.net (216.24.99.190)  8.065 ms  8.077 ms  7.832 ms

    4  216-24-99-188.unassigned.ntelos.net (216.24.99.188)  73.344 ms  19.550 ms  10.012 ms

    5  216-24-99-59.unassigned.ntelos.net (216.24.99.59)  7.917 ms  7.981 ms  7.847 ms

    6  216-24-74-6.access.naxs.com (216.24.74.6)  7.947 ms  7.981 ms  7.741 ms

    7  216-24-99-60.unassigned.ntelos.net (216.24.99.60)  7.529 ms  7.785 ms  7.661 ms

    8  216-24-99-170.unassigned.ntelos.net (216.24.99.170)  8.162 ms  8.242 ms  8.000 ms

    9  216-24-99-174.unassigned.ntelos.net (216.24.99.174)  71.285 ms  196.657 ms  94.027 ms

    10  209-145-84-49.unassigned.ntelos.net (209.145.84.49)  7.657 ms  7.726 ms  7.616 ms

    11  eqixva-google-gige.google.com (206.126.236.21)  8.937 ms  9.011 ms  8.122 ms

    12  209.85.252.80 (209.85.252.80)  9.131 ms  8.693 ms  9.479 ms

    13  72.14.236.152 (72.14.236.152)  9.564 ms  9.877 ms

        72.14.236.148 (72.14.236.148)  9.524 ms

    14  72.14.238.16 (72.14.238.16)  10.563 ms  12.052 ms  9.303 ms

    15  216.239.49.149 (216.239.49.149)  13.294 ms  10.716 ms

        72.14.232.21 (72.14.232.21)  17.486 ms

    16  google-public-dns-a.google.com (8.8.8.8)  10.022 ms  10.616 ms  11.102 ms

    Buds-Desktop-6:~ bud$

  • LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (42,625 points)

    Ok,, that was the main thing to find out you have a single NAT..

     

    Please take a screen shot and post the actual setup of the port forwarding.

     

    And ask your ISP if they are blocking port 80.. many do. If they block it then you will need to use a different port on the camera or port translate in the TC instead of port forward.

  • budspwr Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    As I have mentioned, I tried to place the shot into the posting and since that didn't work, I searched for a way to attach a file but could not find such.

     

    I did try a different port number (81) but that didn't either.  Tell me  about the port translate on the TC if you have the time.

     

    I know this is taking up time so I appreciate your helping me.

  • LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (42,625 points)

    It is easy to post pictures.. take a screen shot and click on the little camera.. you have to use Safari in Mountain Lion not Chome though. I haven't tried Firefox. It is using Java so there might be java issues with Chrome.

     

    Screen shot 2013-02-01 at 9.47.11 AM.png

    Port translate is simple.. Take incoming port.. I said 8000 on TCP.. you don't need UDP for html.. and use 80 as the private port.

     

    Make sure you use the correct private IP for the camera. This should be locked either in the camera or in the TC.

     

    Then to connect you type into the browser

     

    http://publicipaddress:8000

     

    My problem with your setup is how do you know your public IP address?? Does the camera have dynamic DNS..?? The TC is totally useless in this regard.

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