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Canon 6D RAWs processed awfully bad?!

Hi,


I previously owned a Canon 400D and loved Aperture for the entire workflow, it was just a breeze. Now got a new Canon 6D and also took some test photos with the 5D mk3, and every Raw that I import just looks awfully dark and contrasty.

That is, for a moment they look nice, and then, when they're fully loaded, they turn dark and contrasty.


I thought something would be wrong with the cameras, but opened up some of the pictures in lightroom or in Photoshop, using the adobe raw processor, and there, everything looks nice.


I never knew that the aperture raw processing was so bad, not just with colors, but also with noise reduction for example. Am I doing anything wrong, maybe with some secret color space setting or so (cam is set to sRGB), or are the raw profiles in aperture for these new cameras just not implemented properly yet?


Example Images:


Aperture:

http://chfilm.de/download/foto/IMG_0324A.jpg


Adobe Raw Conversion (nothing done, except hit auto adjust and increased the luma denoise a bit)

http://chfilm.de/download/foto/IMG_0324LR.jpg


what is going on?? I seriously what have never expected such an enormous impact on image quality by the software, especially since I thought Aperture was a Pro-tool. Look at the sharpness of the images!!

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Posted on Jan 26, 2013 10:30 PM

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Jan 26, 2013 11:46 PM in response to chfilm1

Do you have any picture styles set in your Canon 5D Mark III? I.e. "Preserve Highlights"? These are not reflected in the raw. Aperture is processing only the raw when doing the raw developement and does not apply any of the in-camera settings. But the camera-generated preview - show when loading the image - does reflect the preprocessing by the camera. Adobe raw converter on the other hand does understand the "Preserve Highlight" setting and applies it, but it is camera specific. I would not use any camera programs when shooting raw. You will not see in the viewer, what your raw image will be like; if it is over exposed for example.


See this discussion: RAW Processing problems with Canon 5D Mark iii


Regards

Léonie

Jan 27, 2013 6:31 AM in response to léonie

Hm, at first glance it seemed that the other thread describes exactly the same issue, and it got resolved by your answer, but I don't have preserve highlights on, not on any of the cameras. Besides, did you take a look at my pictures in close detail? Did you see the enormous difference in sharpness detail and noise between aperture and Lightroom?

Jan 27, 2013 7:27 AM in response to chfilm1

Yes, I had a look. The contrast and noise are most obvious in the darker areas with bad lighting situation. That remonds me of another discussion. Aperture seems to have a problem with the developement of raws taken in artificial light, see: Re: Strange blue color

How are your "Raw Fine Tuning" settings in the Adjustment panel? I found that the default value for the "Boost" is way too high for my Canon raws. Reducing "Boost" and hue helped a lot to bring out detail. If the controls are not grayed out, I'd also try to adjust the noise and sharpening controls in the Raw Fine Tuning and save the best settings as a default for your cameras.


Regards

Jan 27, 2013 9:11 AM in response to léonie

Hey,


I tried to reduce the boost setting and things got a little better, but still, what Aperture puts out looks like an ugly jpg compared to the output of lightroom 😟


Another example: I got pretty close thanks to your advice, but in the details you can just see how noisy and blury the aperture picture looks:


http://chfilm.de/download/foto/aperture.jpg


lightroom:

http://chfilm.de/download/foto/lightroom.jpg

Jan 27, 2013 10:58 AM in response to chfilm1

Looking at your newest examples, this seems again to be a problem of the strong blue colors. I'd send feedback to Apple and file a bug-report: http://www.apple.com/feedback/aperture.html


Some of the missing sharpness looks like color bleeding to me, also aliasing at the strong edges. Have you also tried the demosaic setting in the Raw FineTuning?


User uploaded file

Regards

Léonie

Jan 27, 2013 11:32 AM in response to léonie

Hm, the moire filter doesnt really do anything to the picture.


After doing tests the entire day I feel like the biggest difference after you figured out all the other settings manually, seems to be the raw denoising in aperture wich just seems to suck im comparison to Adobe's software.


But there's also other differences, like whenever I hit "auto" on the basic raw settings in LR, like expose and such, the result always looks better, more defined, more structures and fine details, small highlights come out and the shadows are still there, where aperture sometimes seems to work a bit more rough. What puzzles me is that I never had those issues before with my 400d raws.

Jan 27, 2013 3:57 PM in response to chfilm1

Ok so I tried it out with some samples by other 6Ds at ISO 6400, and the results are similar. As long as I completely deactivate the noise reduction in both applications and don't touch any other controls, pictures look pretty much the same, but as soon as I hit the "auto" button in Lightroom for exposure, brightness, contrast and stuff, it makes the pictures really shine where aperture just fails 😟

Same with the noise reduction...


But the "images appear too dark on import" issue remains in both apps, but in LR it's just not an issue because it then immediately corrects the contrast with the Auto function.


Original Image:

http://chfilm.de/download/foto/original_raw.jpg


Lightroom's basic autocorrect look:

http://chfilm.de/download/foto/lightroom_autocorrect.jpg


aperture's basic autocorrect look:

http://chfilm.de/download/foto/aperture_autocorrect.jpg (look how it overexposes everything)

Aug 16, 2013 7:58 AM in response to chfilm1

I'm having this same issue with Aperture 3 and my Canon 6D. It wasn't a problem until I updated my system to OS X 10.8.4. The same thing happens in Preview too. So my guess is that it's Apple's RAW processing and not just Aperture. I've started shooting RAW+JPEG and the difference is staggering. The RAW images are way too dark and heavily vignetted. Here's a sample (JPEG on the left, RAW on the right, no adjustments to either).


User uploaded file

Aug 16, 2013 8:54 AM in response to anonymous_support

Well it's just another small little coffin nail in apples "abandon the pro user strategy".

I'm just mad at them for in the past it was exactly those tiny details that made their software stand out. I had to switch to a lightroom based raw processing workflow, then only preserve the best 100 processed photos as jpgs and send them over to aperture in order to have them in my photo stream and together with the rest of my library.


It's really sad! But Lightroom shows the Raws as they're supposed to look like and also does way better processing afterwards when it comes to noise reduction or recovering highlight details.


Try it out! You'll be astounded. And please send a report to apple!

Mar 19, 2014 4:49 PM in response to chfilm1

I have been fortunate enough to recently upgrade myself to a Canon EOS 6D. After my first shoot, I was heartbroken to see the poor quality of the images--dark, low contrast, etc. This was fixable in Aperture with some effort, but then I started noticing serious blue and orange color artifacts around high-contrast edges, and a near total loss of detail in deeper shadows. I was about to return the 6D as defective but then tried a couple images in Canon's RAW processing software. And I was blown away by the results--gorgeous images, perfect contrast and loads of shadow detail that could be extracted with the right adjustments. I also grabbed a trial of Lightroom, which produced results similart to Canon's software.


So there's nothing wrong with the camera. Apple's RAW converter for the 6D is just flat busted. How could something this bad have actually made it out the door?


I've been a long-term Aperture user--since version 2.0, and have grown to love the interface and the effortless workflow for organizing images. But the issues with the 6D RAW converter have pretty much forced me to abandon Aperture over night. Hello Lightroom.


As with previous comments, I suspect this is really just part of the thin end of the wedge with Aperture and that it may be headed for extinction. Sad.


Here is an example that shows the shadow issues. Both are 100% views of he same RAW file loaded without any additional adjustments--except that I've cranked up the shadow level to illustrate the Aperture RAW converter's failure:


User uploaded file

Mar 19, 2014 5:20 PM in response to blues4orce

One thing to check first - Ensure you don't have highlight tone priority set on your Canon. This causes it to under-expose the shots to protect the highlights by about a stop, which then causes a lot more work in the shadows.


That said, Lightroom tends to be able to do a better job pulling up shadows than Aperture does. Lightroom's converter as of Lightroom 4 made a pretty big advance. Aperture is OK for moderate bumps in the shadows; I've found if you stay under values of about 40, it tends to be OK. However, you've cranked up the shadows to 60 in your example and I've found that problematic as well. When you crank the shadows that much, you'll get noise, and the color is off - it tends to be a bit desaturated. In cases like this where half a building is in direct sunlight and the other is in shade, it's a pretty big range for a sensor; I might have bracketed the shot and considered HDR or blending the two exposures in Photoshop to get better results as there's not a ton of data in shadows that deep.

Canon 6D RAWs processed awfully bad?!

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