Q: 2011 MacBook Pro and Discrete Graphics Card

kayazuki wrote:

 

Csound1 wrote:

The law came into effect in 2006, the 2011 model was not the first, please do some basic fact checking.

That's also a way of putting it kindly

But seriously; what do you expect makes the 2011 stand out so much then, since all 2006 devices that would have the same solder method..?

Specific low amount of used solder?

I don't think that the type of solder used is the cause of the issue, I don't think that any one factor is causal. It will be a combination of factors, possibly including the solder. But there is little coherent explanation or supply of information here, despite attempts by one or two posters to gather it.

We know one thing, some 2011 15" MBP's are suffering from graphics system failures, as yet we do not know why.

Csound1 wrote:

I don't think that the type of solder used is the cause of the issue, I don't think that any one factor is causal. It will be a combination of factors, possibly including the solder. But there is little coherent explanation or supply of information here, despite attempts by one or two posters to gather it.

 

We know one thing, some 2011 15" MBP's are suffering from graphics system failures, as yet we do not know why.

"Some" sounds like an understatement when I hear our Apple Service telling me that a "large number" of 2011 MBPs are returned regularly and when you see that over 29.000 ppl already signed something somewhere..

Besides that, I already called a few reballers and their statistics say that in about 90% of the cases, reballing has fixed the issue and they never heard those people again after that one fix.

I'll agree with you that nothing is FACTUAL, but i think the term "some" is also not very factual to use..?

"The law came into effect in 2006, the 2011 model was not the first, please do some basic fact checking."

I've found this, it doesn't clarify which company asked for the exemption but at least states that an exemption exists.

Therefore it's surely false that since the law took effect in 2006, every product made since then uses lead-free solder and is yet unproved that the 2011 was not the first (which you stated).

So please stop acting as the defender of the truth if you don't have hard facts to prove others wrong. And if you do just share them. Your arrogance only adds noise.

kayazuki wrote:

 

Csound1 wrote:

I don't think that the type of solder used is the cause of the issue, I don't think that any one factor is causal. It will be a combination of factors, possibly including the solder. But there is little coherent explanation or supply of information here, despite attempts by one or two posters to gather it.

 

We know one thing, some 2011 15" MBP's are suffering from graphics system failures, as yet we do not know why.

"Some" sounds like an understatement

They did not all fail, therefore "Some" is the correct word.

Unless you speak "Some" other form of English.

All of which Apple could investigate and address but chooses to ignore hence the ire of this thread.

http://nepp.nasa.gov/WHISKER/

Nasa has some very interesting data on Tin Wiskers from the last few years which have been assumed to be playing a part in this 2011 MB(P)  problem.

Not specific to Lead Free solder but it demonstrates that "proper"  investigation is needed.

http://nepp.nasa.gov/WHISKER/

alessiodd wrote:

 

"The law came into effect in 2006, the 2011 model was not the first, please do some basic fact checking."

 

I've found this, it doesn't clarify which company asked for the exemption but at least states that an exemption exists.

Therefore it's surely false that since the law took effect in 2006, every product made since then uses lead-free solder and is yet unproved that the 2011 was not the first (which you stated).

So please stop acting as the defender of the truth if you don't have hard facts to prove others wrong. And if you do just share them. Your arrogance only adds noise.

So you still have no proof that Apple were exempted.

Thanks for confirming it again.

Csound1 wrote:

 

kayazuki wrote:

 

Csound1 wrote:

The law came into effect in 2006, the 2011 model was not the first, please do some basic fact checking.

That's also a way of putting it kindly

But seriously; what do you expect makes the 2011 stand out so much then, since all 2006 devices that would have the same solder method..?

Specific low amount of used solder?

I don't think that the type of solder used is the cause of the issue, I don't think that any one factor is causal. It will be a combination of factors, possibly including the solder. But there is little coherent explanation or supply of information here, despite attempts by one or two posters to gather it.

 

We know one thing, some 2011 15" MBP's are suffering from graphics system failures, as yet we do not know why.

is that's your investigation's conclusion?

"some" are suffering from "graphic system failures" but you don't know why?

seriously?

I found this article to be quite interesting too, about tin whiskers forming in lead-less solder.

That's all the fact that exists in this thread, mainly due to people like you actively attacking anyone who tries to give or get facts.

Csound1 wrote:

 

alessiodd wrote:

 

"The law came into effect in 2006, the 2011 model was not the first, please do some basic fact checking."

 

I've found this, it doesn't clarify which company asked for the exemption but at least states that an exemption exists.

Therefore it's surely false that since the law took effect in 2006, every product made since then uses lead-free solder and is yet unproved that the 2011 was not the first (which you stated).

So please stop acting as the defender of the truth if you don't have hard facts to prove others wrong. And if you do just share them. Your arrogance only adds noise.

So you still have no proof that Apple were exempted.

 

Thanks for confirming it again.

what about you proving Apple been using lead free since 2006 instead?

giving a date for a law taking effect doesn't prove anything either.

Yes I don't and I stated it clearly. I'm just trying to add some facts to the discussion.

What I'm not doing is trading opinions for facts as you did and being arrogant on top of it.

"The law came into effect in 2006, the 2011 model was not the first, please do some basic fact checking."

Csound1 wrote:

 

That's all the facts that exist in this thread, mainly due to people like you actively attacking anyone who tries to give or get facts.

"people like me"?

you're discriminating too?

what is that supposed to mean considering what you supposedly think you know about me and/or people like me?

reason I'm coming at you, because attacking is incorrect, is not because you would try to give or get facts. stop playing the victim for a minute.

always tend to thank people for their help in this thread but you're not here to help.

so I don't thank you.

Csound1

I would love the facts but we need them from Apple  and we cannot get them.

I would love Apple to release the logic board replacement stats for all Warranty and Paid replacements on 2009 / 2010 / 2011 /  2012 / 2013  MBP's .. that data should settle the question as to whether the 2011 MBP is special statistically. To be honest the conjecture is only happening because of the silence.

to me its really that simple

alessiodd wrote:

Yes I don't and I stated it clearly. I'm just trying to add some facts to the discussion.

What I'm not doing is trading opinions for facts as you did and being arrogant on top of it.

"The law came into effect in 2006, the 2011 model was not the first, please do some basic fact checking."

There's a fact allright..

To Csound: It's ok to want to be factual Csound.. Really, it is.

But factual does not equal the necessity to sound unfriendly and rude. And that is really a fact.

Perhaps you could attempt to write a bit more friendly to all of us here, so you'd get more positive responses from everyone..?

Just an idea

alessiodd wrote:

 

Yes I don't and I stated it clearly. I'm just trying to add some facts to the discussion.

 

What I'm not doing is trading opinions for facts as you did and being arrogant on top of it.

 

"The law came into effect in 2006, the 2011 model was not the first, please do some basic fact checking."

Once again I will tell you that Apple stopped using leaded solder in 2006. The 2011 model was not the first, if you can be bothered to check for yourself rather than just disagree with anyone who does not say what you want you can click the graphic and look.

As I said before, do some basic fact checking before walking out on the limb.