Q: 2011 MacBook Pro and Discrete Graphics Card
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Feb 23, 2015 11:54 AMby vsingha2k,Csound1 wrote:
None of your business.
And as I have no idea what your graphics requirements are I will leave you to your own research, and you're welcome for the examples already provided.
Bye.
your meddling and diversions are this group members' business. so answer the simple question.
On graphics related heat/mbp freezing issues - we are trying to ascertain and replicate the 30% graphics perf downgrade - so stay on that topic and help if you can or know. My particular graphics package usage is not the topic.
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Feb 23, 2015 12:17 PMby vsingha2k,Csound1 wrote:
You are not my employer, or my mother, don't tell me what to do.
don't care who your employer or mother is, glad I'm not.
1. But are your responses/actions of defending Apple here, a source of income for you?? If it is, power to you, but will be good to know, as this forum member.
2. do you know if Apple firmware upgrade (referred many times earlier in this forum) reduced the graphics performance?? preciseness of the alleged 30% reduction doesn't matter.
3. What graphics programs do you use and have you seen a performance reduction?
4. Do/have you own(ed) a 15" MBP-2011, which suffered from some of the issues, many of us have suffered from and reported here?
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Feb 23, 2015 12:44 PMby vsingha2k,difficult/impractical to do so given there are 820 pages now, in the interest of community and benefit of recent joinees, can you pl point to specific messages, answering questions:
1. But are your responses/actions of defending Apple here, a source of income for you?? If it is, power to you, but will be good to know, as this forum member.
2. do you know if Apple firmware upgrade (referred many times earlier in this forum) reduced the graphics performance?? preciseness of the alleged 30% reduction doesn't matter.
3. What graphics programs do you use and have you seen a performance reduction?
4. Do/have you own(ed) a 15" MBP-2011, which suffered from some of the issues, many of us have suffered from and reported here?
Other members here, please feel free to throw light as well. I'm really tired of his derailing, diversion attempts.
thanks!
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Feb 23, 2015 12:49 PMby jimoase,vsingha2k wrote:
difficult/impractical to do so given there are 820 pages now, in the interest of community and benefit of recent joinees, can you pl point to specific messages, answering questions:
1. But are your responses/actions of defending Apple here, a source of income for you?? If it is, power to you, but will be good to know, as this forum member.
2. do you know if Apple firmware upgrade (referred many times earlier in this forum) reduced the graphics performance?? preciseness of the alleged 30% reduction doesn't matter.
3. What graphics programs do you use and have you seen a performance reduction?
4. Do/have you own(ed) a 15" MBP-2011, which suffered from some of the issues, many of us have suffered from and reported here?
Other members here, please feel free to throw light as well. I'm really tired of his derailing, diversion attempts.
thanks!
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Feb 23, 2015 1:11 PMby jimoase,vsingha2k wrote:
difficult/impractical to do so given there are 820 pages now, in the interest of community and benefit of recent joinees, can you pl point to specific messages, answering questions:
1. But are your responses/actions of defending Apple here, a source of income for you?? If it is, power to you, but will be good to know, as this forum member.
2. do you know if Apple firmware upgrade (referred many times earlier in this forum) reduced the graphics performance?? preciseness of the alleged 30% reduction doesn't matter.
3. What graphics programs do you use and have you seen a performance reduction?
4. Do/have you own(ed) a 15" MBP-2011, which suffered from some of the issues, many of us have suffered from and reported here?
Other members here, please feel free to throw light as well. I'm really tired of his derailing, diversion attempts.
thanks!
Opps... got side tracked... and timed out... after hitting the wrong button
We need people of Csound1's natural nature. Csound1 is a mis-matcher. Where many see things that look alike or similar, Csound1 sees the things that are different and can quickly identify the differences. Had Csound1 been on the job at Apple when the MBP motherboards were being built his watchful eye would have picked out the variations in the results of the solder process for the GPU chip. Unfortunately Apple didn't have a mis-matcher or they did and had a domineering supervisor who wanted to make the production volume numbers so the supervisor over ruled the mis-matcher because production numbers translated into a great review and promotion. We know the supervisor by the name of Peter.
There is a place and a time where the natural skills we each possess are beneficial to many others. There are also situations where those same skills are counter productive. No individual can make a pencil yet together, with no overseer telling us what to do, we make pencils and iPads and will soon make things that only exist in the imagination of some little kid. We learn by the knowledge passed from one to another via free enterprise.
Our task, should we accept the challenge, is to learn the things we can not change, to find the courage to change the things we can and wisdom to know the difference.
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Feb 23, 2015 1:38 PMby Csound1,vsingha2k wrote:
difficult/impractical to do so given there are 820 pages now, in the interest of community and benefit of recent joinees, can you pl point to specific messages, answering questions:
1. But are your responses/actions of defending Apple here, a source of income for you?? If it is, power to you, but will be good to know, as this forum member.
2. do you know if Apple firmware upgrade (referred many times earlier in this forum) reduced the graphics performance?? preciseness of the alleged 30% reduction doesn't matter.
3. What graphics programs do you use and have you seen a performance reduction?
4. Do/have you own(ed) a 15" MBP-2011, which suffered from some of the issues, many of us have suffered from and reported here?
Other members here, please feel free to throw light as well. I'm really tired of his derailing, diversion attempts.
thanks!
You are not speaking for other members, you speak for yourself. And why should I do the research again for you. Google it.
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Feb 23, 2015 2:37 PMby Richard Liu,This is my modest attempt to focus a thread that has become 820 page long on February 20, 2015 and thereafter. Since February 20, 2015 Apple has been repairing "qualifying" MacBook Pro's in the US and Canada. From February 27, 2015 that program will extend to (all?) other countries. I believe that these are the issues that interest especially -- but not only -- those who have not followed this thread from the beginning:
- What does "qualifying" mean? The announcement on the Apple Web site lists the machines that might be affected and provides a link for those interested to determine whether their machine qualifies. Unfortunately, the link does not answer this question, but instead merely translates a serial number into a model description comparable to those in the list. Furthermore, the announcement of the program says that anyone who has another model and is not experiencing the problems that the program addresses should not apply for the program. One might therefore assume -- incorrectly! -- that having one of the models listed suffices, and that even if one's machine is not currently experiencing those problems the repair will be applied so that it never does. When I took my late-2011 MBP 17" to Apple today, it was hooked to a diagnostic program that tests the GPU's. The "genius" knew where to rub the MBP to cause it to heat up. Only machines which fail the test qualify for the program. Possible grey areas on which personal experience could shed some light:
- How iron-clad is the policy to only repair those models that fail the test?
- What if the model is "right" but the machine is not experiencing any of those problems? Should one really have to wait until it does? Shouldn't Apple have to explain why it probably won't if it doesn't before February 27, 2016, when the program ends?
- The announcement says that owners who have had their machines repaired at their own cost will be reimbursed. It seems that this only applies to machines repaired by Apple Retail Stores or Applies Authorized Service Providers. Possible grey areas on which personal experience could shed some light:
- How iron-clad is the policy?
- People tend to take laptops where they need to use them, not where they can get them repaired. Some have had evidently competent technicians replace just the outboard GPU. Even if Apple will not refund the costs in such cases, is there a possibility to have the machine tested to determine whether it qualifies for repair under the program?
- The same question applies to machines that have been repaired by Apple or Apple Service Providers. Isn't it possible that, in the meantime, other aspects of the problem have come to light that those repairs did not address?
- After a machine has been repaired, in what condition was the machine returned?
- What exactly was done?
- Were the contents of the internal hard disk intact, incl. the OS?
- First impressions regarding the problem?
- Recommendable stress tests?
- Recurrence of the problem, or occurrence of other problems that might be related?
Few of us will ever know why it took Apple so long to admit that there is a problem and then to do something about it. Threads that focus on narrowing down the possible causes instead of degenerating into accusations and mudslinging almost certainly don't hurt.
- What does "qualifying" mean? The announcement on the Apple Web site lists the machines that might be affected and provides a link for those interested to determine whether their machine qualifies. Unfortunately, the link does not answer this question, but instead merely translates a serial number into a model description comparable to those in the list. Furthermore, the announcement of the program says that anyone who has another model and is not experiencing the problems that the program addresses should not apply for the program. One might therefore assume -- incorrectly! -- that having one of the models listed suffices, and that even if one's machine is not currently experiencing those problems the repair will be applied so that it never does. When I took my late-2011 MBP 17" to Apple today, it was hooked to a diagnostic program that tests the GPU's. The "genius" knew where to rub the MBP to cause it to heat up. Only machines which fail the test qualify for the program. Possible grey areas on which personal experience could shed some light:
