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  • Kerry Dawson Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    Well this is really something. Icloud does work in 2013. I’m not sure though that you can push the mail through borth ways.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (43,360 points)

    It should work (but expect issues)

  • Kerry Dawson Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    It seems to write the title in fine or alterations but not the body which is odd.

     

    If I get some time I'll play with it.

     

    I'm playing with a product called Sync Mate with 2011 and oddly enough that kind of worked; sort of; more playing to do as it messed up my Outlook and Calendars with duplicates. A quick restore of Calendars fixed that. You won’t be surprised by this. Outlook needed to build it’s index and failed. Too much. It really is a dreadful product. No data integrity at all.

  • Kerry Dawson Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    Here’s what I’ve found. I can read and write to a file on a calendar on the Mac in Windows 2013. If i create it though in 2013 it won’t let me save it to an iCal Calendar.

     

    I’m going to work on this and the sync mate but I think the Windows approach is better.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (43,360 points)

    Kerry Dawson wrote:

     

    Here’s what I’ve found. I can read and write to a file on a calendar on the Mac in Windows 2013. If i create it though in 2013 it won’t let me save it to an iCal Calendar.

     

    I’m going to work on this and the sync mate but I think the Windows approach is better.

    Provided that you do not want your iCloud Calendar and Contacts to be the default set it is workable. But all invitations you accept will not go to the iCloud calendar, likewise for Contact cards sent to you. Outlook Today will not display your agenda/events etc and searches become problematic.

     

    I am astonished by the power of Outlook to make people accept all kinds of drawbacks (windows, really?) just to stay with it. The talk of Apple fanboys pales next to Outlook adicts.

  • Kerry Dawson Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    No I’m not an Outlook addict. Read my articles at the Daily Mac View - dailymacview.com. I’m a consultant, writer and researcher. This is more part of what I do for a living. I’m just quite curious now from a strategic perspective why such would be the case with Microsoft. It’s illogical.

     

    I think if you’re going to use Outlook though it’s better done in Windows which strikes me as bizzarre.

     

    What do you mean by:

     

    Provided that you do not want your iCloud Calendar and Contacts to be the default set it is workable.

     

    Set what to workable?

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (43,360 points)

    Put a comma after set, I missed it.

     

    It works (outlook for win) but not as you expect it to.

  • Kerry Dawson Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    No one at Apple nor Microsoft can answer this and why this is happening.

     

    I can't create a new event as it's saying I don't have the permissions. For events create on OSX though I can edit and save anything existing. Do you have any idea why this is happening and how you resolve that. I think it’s a Windows problem.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (43,360 points)

    Why ask Apple? Office 2013 is not supported yet (as I said before) it may or may not work, like any other unsupported application.

     

    Prioritize, if iCloud is what you want then choose a supported iCloud client, Outlook for Mac is not, Outlook for Windows (provided it is version 2007 or 2010) is but compatibility is poor, your workflow will change.

     

    Frankly I can't understand why you don't use the clients provided by Apple.

  • Kerry Dawson Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    No there’s nothing to understand here. I’m a writer, researcher and consultant. I don’t use the Apple apps though. I use Busycal and Fantastical for calendaring and OmniFocus for tasks. The work great.

     

    I intend to write an article about this but I’ve got to get a slant.

     

    The other thing is, some of my clients use an Exchange Architecture with Outlook for Windows. I just have to conceptually know this. But I have been asked by a couple who are considering Macs in the environment how would they fit into an Exchange/Apple architecture. That’s a tricky one for me to answer at the moment but I’ll come up with a schema that will work if this is want to do.

     

    I have now got Outlook using Sync Mate running fine though except that’s a bit more manual as you have to manually tell sync mate to run. But It works well and all environments are in sync.

     

    I’m still leaning though towards, for these clients, depending on what I determine, an Apple/Parallels Windows 7/8 Outlook 2013 solution. Windows 2013 just feels more solid than 2011 and they’ve used Windows Outlook for years. This then would be a mixed modal environment which I don’t have any concerns about and I do perceive from my analysis strong benefits.

     

    The article will be completely different.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (43,360 points)

    Take a look at Soho Organizer, probably the closest iCloud client to Outlook.

     

    As for Exchange on a Mac Outlook makes the most sense as it is compatible, and it is not compatible with iCloud.

  • Kerry Dawson Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    Thanks.

     

    Yes I know it works fine with Exchange. Microsoft has told me (who knows) that they’re making it icloud compatible. The one of the two clients wants to be able to do both and the other is thinking both.

     

    Yes, I’m familiar with Chronos and SOHO organizer. These are large clients. I’d never put them on SOHO Organizer.This is a multi-modal operation that I’m assessing and I’m only at the feasibility stage. As an absolute, the clients cannot move off Outlook. It’s too integral and long standing in their operation and I’d be shot if I recommended something other than that.

     

    Microsoft has to realize that clients are considering multi-modal operations. I’m working on that too but as you can imaginge ...... However, they’re not totally stupid. More organizations will more than likely start thinking this way. One’s with an embedded infrastructure though will remain, at least if they’re my clients, in an exchange world but multi-modal. I’m not prepared to recommend the throwout of infrastructure that’s worth millions of dollars to switch modal operations. Thus, I will continue with my litle experimentation as this is only a feasibility assessment I’m doing at this point. I’m leaning towards a recommendation that it is feasible and my cost anlaylisis is indicating that if technologically it’s feasible there are substantial dollars to be saved.

     

    It’s all good. It’s either feasible or not and then that leads to the next stage.

     

    My fooling around with Outlook is non-significant to me. I’ve used since 1997 when it came out.

     

    Thanks for the info though as i appreciate that. I’m guessing the reason the record won’t commit on a new record in Windows to iCloud has to do with Windows/Outlook and nothing to do with iCloud.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (43,360 points)

    Probably, try with Outlook 2010 (it is fully supported)

  • Kerry Dawson Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    It is eh! OK. I might look at that then. When you say it’s fully supported who fully supports it. Microsoft?

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (43,360 points)

    I meant that Apple support it as an iCloud client, I've tried it and it worked for me, but I am no fan of Outlook plus iCloud changes Outlooks usual work flow, and not in a good way IMHO.

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