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9 points

Final cut pro x is the worst and most horrifying software for a new user....most non - user friendly...

Working on it is just like making a castle of cards......Your entire effort just goes in thinking how to keep your clips in place,how to group ,compound and then again uncompound , make a secondary timeline then again break apart......you never know what will shift, what will get replaced , what will fall off a layer ........it seems like a video game where all bricks have to be maintained in the air one over the other without a base.......you have to keep wasting your brain power in just thinking how your clips would be unscrewed till the end of the project .....it is so ridiculous for a general film editor .........as of getting used to it....you can be made to get used to anything but ......there is no logic in kicking your brain to prove its intelligence of being able to think about the management of its clips all the time while working because there is always a possibiltiy of your data not found in the place you left it or in the shape you designed it..........specially extremely mind screwing for people who have to work with large data and not everybody has to make a documentary.......how can they even think of making a software with a thought that people will directly drag everything from the browser and bam here is your film........it is the worst software for people who go into tricky editing experimenting with layers and mix match of several effects in one window.....seeing everything available without changing timelines.........

the basic timeline of fcpx is so childish,so basic.....user friendly is something that works on human logic not something that teaches you to think in a different way.....else for people who work on several softwares their entire life would just go learning softwares.......

conclusion.....

good for people who just know , once dragged is done and once compounded is forgotton

Nightmare for people who start their work after dragging and can't compound or keep making secondary timelines till the end to painstakingly protect their delicate and intricate timelines..........everything just keeps sticking here and there.....software or a chameleon tongue.....😠

Final Cut Pro X, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2)

Posted on Feb 8, 2013 9:47 AM

58 replies

Tom Wolsky

Level 10

151,149 points

Feb 14, 2013 2:29 AM in response to Mudh Mark

This is a completely pointless and futile exercise. You're trying to learn the application by making a project, and you're trying to make it the way you're used to making it. You might be able to force the application to work the way you want by using some combination of compound clips and secondaries.

There are no numbered layers or tracks. You can't copy and paste to layer 2. There is no layer 2. There is no number 2 in the timeline. The whole description of your workflow is based entirely on there being tracks in the timeline. Put everything in the timeline and sort it out by putting things on the right layers. You're calling them layers but you really mean tracks. This application isn't going to work for you with this methodology.

Oh and learn to use the clip skimmer and auditions might be helpful.

Feb 14, 2013 2:43 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

Yes, I'm reminded of an (imaginary) soldier who has spent his life fighting with a knife . . . . . . he is given a gun, but persists in trying to stab his foes with it, instead of using it as intended. 😉

On a possibly more helpful note, I would suggest that you should never start an important project with a completely new editing app.

Use the old familiar one for the serious film and play around with the new app for a few weeks to get the feel of it and learn how it works.

When you have mastered most of the techniques you require, you will be in a position to start a new important project with confidence.

Mudh Mark Author

Level 1

9 points

Feb 14, 2013 2:57 AM in response to Ian R. Brown

ha ha Tom and Ian my darlings you are fed up of me I know and still never seen such amazing patient elders bros ....thank you ....but please rather than saying this again and again that learn with a new approach try answering to my exact situation i might understand then .....see I understand I have to understand the concept but everything in the transition phase would start by replacing the concept ....it is very difficult to just open my head and fit a new hard disk.....please I have very specifically written my problem in the last post please tell me how to do it now.....that one answer will start to change the way I think just tell me how to do what I'm trying ....how should I edit without cutting pasting and layering .... specifically tell me that......?? I have in brief still very clearly written what I want to do ,how else and what else would anybody do on earth besides what I'm doing.....copy paste.......plz explain with the quote of my problem ,plz don't avoid that....just read my two last posts 😀

Feb 14, 2013 3:13 AM in response to Mudh Mark

do as ian and karsten said___ start a new post with one short question_

Tom Wolsky

Level 10

151,149 points

Feb 14, 2013 3:16 AM in response to Mudh Mark

I read your posts as best I could. I don't think you can save this project the way it's constructed. Well maybe you could, but it would involve a lot of hard work and probably none of it would be copying and pasting. I'm not sure this software will ever work for you. I edit by making decisions, you seem to edit by postponing them. If you want to try using different shots with different effects you might see if auditions will help you.

somanna

Level 1

133 points

Feb 14, 2013 3:44 AM in response to Mudh Mark

Hello Mark,

I am very glad that FCPX has been my first baptism into the waters of video editing. I am very happy with this application and reading all the 'troubles' it is giving you, a past master in this field of video editing, I am very very happy to have chosen FCPX as my video editing software.

I hope that within one week you too will feel that FCPX is the best thing you have come across!

You already know quite a lot, but I am sure that when you get the hang of it, you will be zooming away.

Cheers.😀

Mudh Mark Author

Level 1

9 points

Feb 14, 2013 4:27 AM in response to somanna

ok.

Feb 14, 2013 5:21 AM in response to Mudh Mark

I asked for single sentence to answer my question - you didn't.-

Mudh Mark wrote:

… your basic feature of insert overlay etc are dead at the moment for me...forget them.

I don't, using it, daily - you should!

with this attitude, you will never learn a new tool.

Mudh Mark wrote:

… I need to simultaneaously see all the thumbnails and drag the best.

you do.

in the Event Browser = selection

Not in the storyline = final product.

Mudh Mark wrote:

… it can be from any layer …

there ARE no layers/tracks/lines/rows/ranks/bins/… in FCPX.

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sorry to say, Mark, but your being on speed … breathless 😉 way of documenting a confused workflow, based upon complete ignoring the concept of a new&different tool makes it impossible to help you.

you got responds from the most helpful, forebearing and profound supportes of this board (and confused them) - follow their basic advice to learn this app FROM GROUND. or, STAY with track-based NLEs.

I'm outta here …

-bye-

Feb 14, 2013 6:39 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

Tom Wolsky wrote:

This is a completely pointless and futile exercise. You're trying to learn the application by making a project, and you're trying to make it the way you're used to making it. You might be able to force the application to work the way you want by using some combination of compound clips and secondaries.

There are no numbered layers or tracks. You can't copy and paste to layer 2. There is no layer 2. There is no number 2 in the timeline. The whole description of your workflow is based entirely on there being tracks in the timeline. Put everything in the timeline and sort it out by putting things on the right layers. You're calling them layers but you really mean tracks. This application isn't going to work for you with this methodology.

Oh and learn to use the clip skimmer and auditions might be helpful.

Feb 14, 2013 6:41 AM in response to Mudh Mark

Mudh Mark wrote:

.....see I understand I have to understand the concept but

No BUTs ;-)

Get down and dirty with the app - thus - understand its concept. Then come back and start a thread, if you feel you need to. I bet that you will love the concept ONCE you understand it.

Lots a Fun ;-)

Mudh Mark Author

Level 1

9 points

Feb 14, 2013 7:18 AM in response to Studio Engineer

Ok got it....'not for all' software....every tool is used by several users and there are hundreds of ways in which people work....I have worked on more that 20 big audio and video softwares besides playing with a thousand more being a music composer,arranger,programmer, sound recordist and an editor on widows as well besides mac,there is a universality to every application in a logical user friendly technological world,for the first time I have been asked to change the way of throwing , pushing and placing,I will definately keep trying but every tool is made keeping in mind several ways of work and then people custom apply that tool....it has more limitations than one can imagine.....here those who are used to it are so convinced,this is how EDITING is done....sorry to say this is not true....if Tom says he takes decisions faster....no Tom there are genres of film editing in which you can't go on finalizing chunks sometimes for the whole feel of a project you have to keep things open and keep making changes in the whole project specially after the whole project shapes up according to the emotional flow of the story.......not for fiction......dramas.....undoubtedly good for wildlife editors and documentary makers.

Unfortunately completed 70 percent of my project on this so will have to keep learning and finish it off...because other things like color correction and titles are yet to be done....

I'm trying and I will learn to work on it at any cost....but yes as I said it exhausts ....with my kind of editing..... and your kind of editing is not my cup of tea,we don't shoot footage with a clapper board always where we always know the ok shots,several times NG shots are incorporated in such a wonderful way for which you can't keep finalizing grouping compounding and making secondary storylines......we make dramas and shoot for music and can't predict the feel of the edit till the end....

somanna

Level 1

133 points

Feb 14, 2013 8:14 AM in response to Mudh Mark

Do feel sorry for you Mark but then, the situation is not as bad as you like to describe it. I hope that other video editors who are already doing the kind of stuff you are doing will help you out. But, understanding the level of your competence in video editing with non FCPX softwares, I trust you are not far away from riding your 'mad' horse [FCPX] expertly and see that it takes you where you want!

marti153

Level 1

52 points

Feb 14, 2013 8:34 AM in response to somanna

Enough! Time to move on! Both sides are beginning to look like they need a life!

Feb 14, 2013 8:37 AM in response to marti153

When Karsten says "I'm outta here" then this is a hopeless case

somanna

Level 1

133 points

Feb 15, 2013 8:34 AM in response to somanna

Thanks Mark for helping me with your 'this helped me'. I feel I do not deserve it. I am just becoming curious to see what kind of video you are preparing on your brand new FCPX. BTW this expertise of yours has made me to laugh:

'.I have worked on more that 20 big audio and video softwares besides playing with a thousand more being a music composer,arranger,programmer, sound recordist and an editor on widows as well'!

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