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The Druid Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

Does anyone know a work around or fix ? I have burned a BluRay successfully the exact same way about 3 weeks ago, but this has failed 3 times in a row after a 60 hr render each time . It fails at 99% completed burn ...


G5 2006, Mac OS X (10.4.9)
  • Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (10,350 points)

    Are you trying to burn from a reference QuickTime or a self contained QuickTime?

    You should export your finished sequence as a self contained QuickTime from FCE, then take that exported file into Toast.

     

    MtD

  • The Druid Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Hi !

    I am using a reference movie , so that no encoding/re-encoding happens . I have found that ANY changes to the project subsequent to exporting the movie , that get saved will always cause the "older" version of this reference to that project  to fail on any attempt to burn to disc, including iDVD .

    I have burned a 65 min reference movie just 3 weeks ago ... the first BluRay failed but the 2nd and 3rd copies were good. After this failure, 4 discs in a row I wanted to find out why.

    I tried a 10 min snippet of this same movie , did exactly the same method, used a reference movie to TOAST and it burned great .

    I am now trying to save the movie in TOAST as a disc image, and will try burning that separately in the other TOAST option and hopefully avoid the pitfall of unable to access mt2 files altogether, to kind of break the burn process into 2 separate sessions. This at least saves me the 60hrs of rendering each time I try something new!

    I have a G5 PPC 2.3 GHz dual core. It's slow on HD stuff.

    How long does it usually take to make the movie self contained ?

    I am also trying another way ... I recorded my movie back to my HD camera, and played the edited movie/ tape back onto a PC laptop and used Pinnacle Studio 12 to add menus to my movie , then output that to a BDMW file. I will burn that file with TOAST when the other attempt is finished and see if that  works too. At least this way I can have the option of having menus on my BLU RAY discs now . I have never had TOAST ever burn a blu ray with a menu, even though I put them in .

     

    Thanks Meg, I will try the self contained route too.

     

    Regards,

    Chris

  • Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (10,350 points)

    I am not sure how and with what materials you are working with that requires 60 hour render times, but exporting a self contained movie has several advantages, an important one being that once exported, it is independent of your FCE project and media.

     

     

     

    MtD

  • Alchroma Level 6 Level 6 (17,640 points)

    It would take onlt one corrupt render files to upset the Apple Cart, especially with a Reference File.

     

    The self contained after it exports correctly wouod be more reliable.

     

    What type of fies are you using that requires 60 hours to render?

    What Sequence is used in FCE.

    Maybe we can help in speeding up the process!!

     

    Al

  • The Druid Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Thanks for the info already  !

     

    I am using SONY HDR FX7 footage , importing the footage using the AIC 1080i 60 . I am editing family footage for an entire year ( +/- 2 to 4 tapes) and keep my timeline/ sequence at 60 mins max .

    After trimming , I am adding a few dissolves, a few Boris titles, and a soundtrack using AIFF's , about 6 or 7 songs in all . I sometimes add a 4 minute photo session at the end , I drag photos (2200 X 3800) straight from iPhoto into my timeline , usually about 50 photos lasting 3 seconds each , no transitions . I have used color corrector on about 10 minutes of footage , I like to desaturate a little and increase the blacks a touch and boost the mids a smidgen too . Not much .

    I continually render ALL as I go along . When the project started failing on BluRay burn (iDVD burned no problem) I deleted all the render files and re-rendered all in one nice long single render .. took maybe 30 minutes .

    Then outputted the reference movie ... in about 3 minutes .

     

    Even when I do a test video , about 5 mins long , with no editing at all , it'll take a good 3-5 hours. I work on an hour a minute ... I started the render of the 60 min project again on Sat night 11pm, and now Monday morning it's 70% completed. Tonight , Monday , at 11pm it'll be close to being done .

    Once done , it takes the Lacie D2 burner 3.5 hrs to burn the disc , each time . If you want 2 or 3 copies , thats 12 hrs again. I sometimes just burn 1 then use dic copy in TOAST for more .. takes 10 minutes then .

  • Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (10,350 points)

    The Druid wrote:

     

    Thanks for the info already  !

     

    I am using SONY HDR FX7 footage , importing the footage using the AIC 1080i 60 . I am editing family footage for an entire year ( +/- 2 to 4 tapes) and keep my timeline/ sequence at 60 mins max .

    After trimming , I am adding a few dissolves, a few Boris titles, and a soundtrack using AIFF's , about 6 or 7 songs in all . I sometimes add a 4 minute photo session at the end , I drag photos (2200 X 3800) straight from iPhoto into my timeline , usually about 50 photos lasting 3 seconds each , no transitions . I have used color corrector on about 10 minutes of footage , I like to desaturate a little and increase the blacks a touch and boost the mids a smidgen too . Not much .

    I continually render ALL as I go along . When the project started failing on BluRay burn (iDVD burned no problem) I deleted all the render files and re-rendered all in one nice long single render .. took maybe 30 minutes .

    Then outputted the reference movie ... in about 3 minutes .

    This sounds normal to this point.

    Even when I do a test video , about 5 mins long , with no editing at all , it'll take a good 3-5 hours.

    What is "it"? Rendering in FCE? Exporting from FCE? Toast encoding the DVD?

     

    I work on an hour a minute ...

    I don't know what this means.

    I started the render of the 60 min project again on Sat night 11pm, and now Monday morning it's 70% completed. Tonight , Monday , at 11pm it'll be close to being done .

    Are you using the term "rendering" to mean the Encoding that Toast has to do to convert your FCE movie into a AVCHD file for Blu-Ray? Or something else?

    Once done , it takes the Lacie D2 burner 3.5 hrs to burn the disc , each time . If you want 2 or 3 copies , thats 12 hrs again. I sometimes just burn 1 then use dic copy in TOAST for more .. takes 10 minutes then .

    If it take a very long time to make multiple copies in Toast, but not to burn a DMG of the Blu-Ray, you need to check your settings in Toast.

     

    Also, you list a 2006 G5 as your computer. Is this correct? The HD files that are used on a home made Blu-Ray are AVCHD files which are extremely processor intensive, which is why AVCHD is only supported on Macs with Intel processors, and not Power PC processors like your G5.

     

    MtD

  • Alchroma Level 6 Level 6 (17,640 points)

    "I am using SONY HDR FX7 footage , importing the footage using the AIC 1080i 60 ."

     

    HDV is 1440 x 1080i, I'm wondering if you have the correct Sequence set.

    These long renders indicate a mis-match.

     

    Can you right click the Sequence icon in the Browser and select Item Properties?

    Post the info.

     

    Al

  • The Druid Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Hi Meg,

    Sorry about the confusion ... Yes, when I tried doing "a quick 5 minute sequence" and burn that to a Blu Ray disc, TOAST encodes it and takes at least 3 hrs to encode before burning the disc.

     

    My workflow based on these times works out to an average of 1 hour of encoding time in TOAST for every 1 minute in my sequence/timeline - just a mental incentive to keep my movies to the point and concise !

    I had to start the TOAST encoding process all over again , because it was lost on the disc burn fail. This time , however, I clicked on the "save as disc image" in TOAST so that I can at least have that under the belt because that part isn't failing. I started that re-encoding on Sat night at 11pm . Now, Mon night at 7pm TOAST is 92% completed on encoding the disc image. It'll be 48 hrs before completed , for a 60 min movie.

     

    I definitely have a G5 PPC 2006 . I remember FCE had a big update to 3.5 HD and introduced the Apple Intermediate Codec. I will do what Al asked , and check my sequence properties, but I often check that the quick setup is 1080i 60 before adding footage to the timeline, and the properties of my clips all say 1440x1080i .

    Maybe that is why my only choice on import is the AIC 1080i 60 for HD footage coming in . The other options are all DV and less.

  • The Druid Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Hey Al ,

     

    They are :  Vid Rate     : 29.97 fps

                      Frame size : 1440X1080

                     Compressor : Apple Intermediate Codec

                 Pixel Aspect     : HD (1440 x 1080)

              Field Dominance  : Upper (odd)

               Aud rate             : 48.0 kHz

              Aud format          : 32-bit floating Point

     

    The reference movie in TOAST says exactly the same  ...

  • The Druid Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Hi Meg,

     

    Also ....

     

    Toast 10 Titanium system requirements:

    • PowerPC G4, G5, or Intel-based Mac
    • OS X 10.5 or later
    • At least 512 MB memory

     

    I am using Tiger 10.4.11 and it shouldn't really work , but it does without ever crashing . It's worked flawlessly until now .  Maybe this is causing long encoding times.

    I will load FCE HD on my wife's MacMini , 2.23 Ghz Intel Duo and 10.6 and see how it handles my workflow ...

  • Alchroma Level 6 Level 6 (17,640 points)

    The Druid wrote:

     

    Hey Al ,

     

    They are :  Vid Rate     : 29.97 fps

                      Frame size : 1440X1080

                     Compressor : Apple Intermediate Codec

                 Pixel Aspect     : HD (1440 x 1080)

              Field Dominance  : Upper (odd)

               Aud rate             : 48.0 kHz

              Aud format          : 32-bit floating Point

     

    The reference movie in TOAST says exactly the same  ...

     

    That's seems to be as it shoud be.

    Not sure why the long renders occur.

    G5 and 10.4 is starting to drag the ball and chain these days.

    I used to work with a G5 using HDV and cannot  remember rendering times such as you experience.

     

    Al

  • The Druid Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Hahahaha , it's a dinosaur but sad to see such a beast in it's day suffer like this . It's hardly even worked much through the years .

     

    The disc image completed fine ... in about 35 hrs total encoding time . To burn the disc image to a Blu ray disc took 3 minutes . Seemed quicker than burning straight to BluRay, plus I saved 3.5 hrs going the disc image route .

     

    This success was still with the reference movie . I also did as Meg suggested, and made the movie self-contained . It took 20 mins to write the files . It is a 45 GB file . I attempted to encode that to a Blu Ray disc in TOAST and after an hour only hit the 1% mark .... so I abandoned the run . I will use the self contained movie route next time when I finish the 2011 family project and burn again .

    I will update regards moving FCE to the MacMini and doing the same workflow on that and see what TOAST does with the footage.

     

    So, TOAST encodes the HDV to AVCHD for Blu Ray . How do I know its AVCHD and not mpeg2 ?

     

    THANKS for all the help and time with this .

     

    Also, do you think I could get away with replacing the G5 with the 2.6 GHz MacMini i7 quad core intel ?

  • The Druid Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    And also , it takes about 5 to 6 hours to Print to Video and render the movie back to the FX7 . The option to record directly from the timeline seems to be only possible in DV mode/quality .

  • Alchroma Level 6 Level 6 (17,640 points)

    The Druid wrote:

     

    And also , it takes about 5 to 6 hours to Print to Video and render the movie back to the FX7 . The option to record directly from the timeline seems to be only possible in DV mode/quality .

     

     

    DV certainly works back to tape.

    Also HDV works, but there is a difference to DV.

    Because the HDV camera footage is originally long GOP (group of pictures) structure to start with, FCE reverses the process to get it back to HDV tape.

    When you capture HDV long GOP, FCE actuall is doing a transcode to AIC (Apple Intermediate Codec).

    The process takes longer than DV, this is normal.

     

    Al

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